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Re: Ike Latif post# 956

Wednesday, 12/12/2001 4:43:33 AM

Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:43:33 AM

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''Pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity of the revelation'' GIBBONS
<It gives me comfort to know educated minds such as yourself are influencing the future path of Pakistan. >

When it mattered the most, I am pleased to see that a right decision was taken; we owed it to humanity and mankind at large. Talebins and O&O are evil this is a new low that any one could have made in this last post Magna-Carta Millennium. The ugliest of the acts in the last thousand years.Most lowly creatures have some conscience, they seem to have none.

If O&O would not have been stopped perhaps extremist interpretation of the Koran would be taught in the schools of Karachi and Cairo, and the mullahs from their pulpits pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity of the revelation by enchanting more blameless lives. (Ed Gibbons construction)

I will like to tell you that 15000 missing Pakistanis were a biggest threat to our society they had taken our society as a hostage. Plunder - either in this life or the next, the soldiers of Islam are promised riches and women. There is a detailed and graphic description of Muslim paradise, complete with houris, rivers of wine and the enjoyment of watching those in torment, elimination of such misfits is a plus and a win- win situation for us.

No one could ever challenge their hold on the society, today they have been flattened and never before our society as whole has felt more freer. Afghanistan may have been the main benefactor we as a nation could have met a similar fate down the line are saved from a horrendous future. In 711 AD the Visigothic King Rodrigo was defeated by Tariq and his invading Berber army at the Battle of Guadelete, marking the end of a more or less unified Visigothic Spain and the beginning of the Feudal Spanish period. The defeat of Talebin for me is the defeat of the Spanish Umayyad Caliph at Tours by the hands of Charles Martel. In the early eighth century, Abd-ar-Rahman survived the fall of the Umayyad Caliphate and assume control as an independent emir of Cordova. Abd-ar-Rahman launched a Muslim invasion across the Pyrenees into France where he was defeated and killed by Charles "The Hammer" Martel and his Frankish army at Tours (near Poiters) in 732 AD. By 1031 AD, internal politics forced the split-up of the Caliphate of Cordova into several smaller Muslim kingdoms (or taifas) that were roughly equivalent in size and resources with the Christian kingdoms of the north Edward Gibbon's account of Sultan Abd al-Rahman's defeat at the "Battle of Poitiers" by Charles Martel in 732:

. . . the Rhine is not more impassable than the Nile or the Euphrates, and the Arabian fleet might have sailed without a naval combat into the mouth of the Thames. Perhaps the interpretation of the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the revelation of Mahomet. From such calamities was Christendom delivered by the genius and fortune of one man [Martel]. (Holy War, p. 42)

Muslim historians only refer to the "Battle of Poitiers" in passing, referring "to it as an unfortunate but unimportant little raid" (Holy War, p. 42). The disparity between the two sides shows that the Christians were wary of the burgeoning success of Islam. The spread of Islam was another catalyst that prompted Urban to declare the First Crusade. Thereafter followed the period of the "Reconquista", or Christian expansion southward into Muslim held territories. It was during this period that Rodrigo Diaz Vivar (a.k.a., "El Cid") (at right) made his name as a Spanish warlord (1043-1099 AD), establishing himself as Count of Valencia before he died. It was a period also marked by occasional conflict between the feudal Christian Kings and considerable accommodation with local Muslim rulers.

This is a period that will mark accommodation and stick. Under O&O we could have seen the classic and extremist interpretation of the Koran would become the syllabus of millions of inhabitants of Sunni dominated Countries and the pulpits their might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity and truth of the wanton naked terror. Renaissance and reawakening of the street is so important for these societies to survive, much as I am seen as infidel, I feel that it is my utmost duty to let my country man know that the path of violence and extremist interpretations and inability to think of cohabitation with mankind at large is a path of self destruction. With my love of history I keep trying all the time albeit some people think

Here is no "Reconquista" and I am making no comparisons, but I have no doubt in my mind that is beginning of long awaited renaissance within fully circumcised Islamic world. They need to think that why they should abuse the most sacred gift of God the ‘gift of life’ to take innocent lives? History demonstrates for us the road map to future by picking on the lessons of the past. That is how nations and societies have progressed, the respect of life and respect of social contract between human beings is the basic building block of our interactive world, those who try to dislodge that basic building block are turning the clock back by thousands of years, they are destroying the collective sacrifices of our forefathers and codes that have brought us to this point of interactivity. Codes like that of Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, bring about the rule of righteousness in the land were aimed at destroying the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak, those codes enlightened the land, to further the well-being of mankind. King John of England agreed, in 1215, to the demands of his barons and authorized that handwritten copies of Magna Carta be prepared on parchment, affixed with his seal, and publicly read throughout the realm. Thus he bound not only himself but his "heirs, for ever" to grant "to all freemen of our kingdom" the rights and liberties the great charter described. With Magna Carta, King John placed himself and England's future sovereigns and magistrates within the rule of law. --Winston Churchill, 1956

. . . here is a law which is above the King and which even he must not break. This reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter is the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in which men have held it.

By the way none of these Islamic leaders who had send the militants over had courage to send their own kins, the Islamic society is ruled by two set of laws one for the common man that stays happily under the 7.7 ton daisy cutter and ripped off to pieces the other who stays under 50 feet of stone to save his neck. The leader who tells the other ‘children of lesser God’ that life on the other side of divide is so beautiful with 70 houries waiting for them loves his 4 houries here and keeps them with him in the cave enjoying the carnal pleasures to the hilt here whilst other are turned into minced meat. If this were not a good enough an eye opener for our society nothing else would ever work.



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