moxa - go on record if you must but to what end ??? I have spoke to Fred about Ogg, at the time it was a who cares but EDIG was/is able to incorporate and make available as the demand for it becomes evident - maybe it has ??? feature sets, controls,screen size and the like can be moved around, made different for the oem - it's the oem's idea of what the consumer wants- no one here knows who all EDIG is working with and I have a feeling with the harassment EDIG's partners have received from EDIG bashers and believers I think some/all relationships will go unannouced until the product is launched - EDIG does not have to announce such things at signing - they are only required to make financials known - none of the player designs are the right way, it's just a way but EDIG is their to accomodate,integrate and provide technology/expertise - EDIG integrates