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Monday, 06/18/2007 12:13:07 PM

Monday, June 18, 2007 12:13:07 PM

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Response received today, from Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining.

In an effort to clarify, what is holding up the show in utah for RSDS, I sent the following email to, Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining, one of the governing bodies involved in part of the permit process for rsds mining and/or exploration of it's claims in Utah.

This stems from some DD and/or research previously done by Johniraq, and seems to confirm some of his findings.
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My email toPaul Baker of Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining.

I am in the process of researching a company who
claims to be in the process of applying for
necessary permits to carry out exploration/mining operations
in the state of Utah. The company is Russell industries.

It is my understanding they are in possession of two
claim groups, the rage claims and the payday claims.

Through my research I have determined they will be
in requirement of both federal and state permits to
carry on such operations, as well as a reclamation surety
bond, in addition that this surety must be posted
prior to any exploration operations starting. It is
my understanding this process can take a minimum of 30
days.

I wonder if you could confirm this information as
well, address the following items.

Has Russell Industries made the necessary
applications and if so, when were they filed?

To the best of your knowledge has either application
been granted?

If not yet granted, what sort of anticipated
impediments or mitigating factors are preventing or
postponing these applications?

Are there any further matters regarding either of
these claim groups, requiring any additional
regulatory or administerial procedures or approvals,
from any levels of government, not already
mentioned with regards to the permits for exploration of
either claim group?

Lastly, if you can comment on this, which of the
claim groups, either rage or payday are Russell industries
making application on?

I appreciate your time reviewing and answering these
questions, after reviewing the various related
websites and making a few calls these are the
remaining questions I have.

Thank you kindly.

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RESPONSE
-- Paul Baker <paulbaker@utah.gov> wrote:

> The State of Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining
> (DOGM) received a Notice of Intention to Conduct
> Exploration on May 25, 2007. I understand the
> Forest Service has also received an application.
> DOGM is supposed to review the application within 15
> days, but since we have been extremely busy, I just
> started my review which should not take too long. I
> anticipate some deficiencies that will need to be
> resolved. It appears there will be an issue that
> will involve the Division of Water Quality.

>
> The project name is "Rage Claims," but I do not know
> the names of their claims, just claim numbers.
>
> By the time the operator responds to DOGM's
> deficiencies and any issues the Forest Service has,
> and by the time they secure a reclamation surety, I
> anticipate it will be at least the end of June,
> possibly longer. I am trying to get in touch with
> the Forest Service (my contact person has been out
> of town), and I do not know what concerns they may
> have.
>
> Because this is an exploration notice, most of the
> contents of the notice is kept confidential, i.e. I
> can only share general information. Let me know if
> you have additional questions, and I'll try to
> answer them.
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my reply

6/18/2007 9:09 AM >>>
Dear paul,

Thankyou so much for your speedy reply. I can
appreciate your quite busy, as such will try not to
furter impede your schedule. I think you covered most
of my inquiries, the one further question i have stems
from your comment on water quality.

I had the opportunity to review the utah state water
quality website at, http://www.waterquality.utah.gov

After reading the information there, it seems the only
likely matters pertaining to mining, are

Mine Water: water from dewatering operations at mines

and

Milling/Mining Leachates: tailings impoundments, mine
leaching operations, etc.

Considering Russell Industries is not at the milling
or mining stage, one can only assume, the water
quality issue would be for the dewatering, is this
correct?


Thank you
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RESPONSE
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:10:55 -0600
From: "Paul Baker" <paulbaker@utah.gov>
To: "xxxxx" <xxxxx@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Russell industries

Yes.

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"So, after reviewing the information at http://www.waterquality.utah.gov

I have determined , that in my opinion, the de-watering of these claims and associated (Ground Water Permits )for the dewatering to be more lengthy than the exploration permits themselves.

The entire exercise looks to take a minimum of 180 days, which I do NOT believe includes the minimum, 30 day public notice and comment period."

The following information can be found at:
http://www.waterquality.utah.gov/permits/index.htm

Permits Needed
Facilities that produce, treat, dispose of, or otherwise discharge waste water may need permits from the Division of Water Quality. The Environmental Protection Agency has delegated authority to Utah to administer its own water quality regulatory programs which EPA still runs in many other states. Permits needed include:

Fees
Range from $270 to $10,800, depending upon type, size and complexity of proposed facility.

Time Required
Time needed for construction permits varies from 60 days to six months; 180 days for ground water permits and between 30 and 180 days for underground injection control permits

Term
Most permits are valid for five years with the exception of construction permits which do not expire.

Surface Water Discharge Permits
Discharging waste water to surface waters, including storm drains, requires a permit prior to beginning operations. Utah Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (UPDES) Permits are required for all industrial, municipal and federal facilities, except those on Indian lands.

Construction Permits
Facilities treating waste water may need construction permits unless they discharge into a municipal sanitary sewer system.

Indirect Discharges (to municipal sanitary sewers)
A state permit is needed to discharge into sewers if the municipality or sewer district does not have a state approved pre-treatment program or authority to issue its own permits.

Storm Water Permits
Storm water discharge permits are required for certain construction projects, industrial facilities, and municipal separate storm sewer systems. More storm water info...

"Seems we are looking at this one IMO
Ground Water Permits Needed
Any facility that discharges or may discharge pollutants to ground water needs a permit. Major agricultural, municipal and industrial dischargers are regulated."
More ground water permit information...

Underground Injection Control Permits
Regulations are designed to ensure contaminants do not escape from wells into aquifers. Wells used to inject fluids associated with the production of oil and natural gas or fluids used for enhanced hydrocarbon recovery are regulated by the Division of Oil,Gas and Mining. All others are regulated by the Division of Water Quality. Most injection wells are authorized by rule and do not need individual permits but must submit notification. The Division of Water Quality sets minimum construction, operating, monitoring, reporting, financial responsibility, closure and recordkeeping requirements for all permitted injection operations. More details on UIC program...

Here is a link to the Ground Water Discharge Permit Application Package

http://www.waterquality.utah.gov/documents/finalpermitapp.pdf

as well a link to the

Ground Water Permitting Information Document

http://www.waterquality.utah.gov/GroundWater/GWQP_PermitInfo.pdf

So, another question at this point would have to be, how long has the CEO known about this?

Still long, just wondering what went wrong.

All in my humble opinion of course.