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Re: Ike Latif post# 767

Thursday, 09/20/2001 8:11:37 AM

Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:11:37 AM

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<The terror continues unabated today. Dozens of Hindu and other pro-Indian civilians, and security personnel, are butchered every week by Pakistan/Afghanistan-based Islamic terrorist groups such as Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Al-Badr Mujahideen, Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen and Hizbul Mujahideen, in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.>
It is condemnable and has to be stopped immediately. These kinds of activities have no place in a balanced human society. I hope that US may not forget it in heat of moment as planes are landing in Pakistan to strike, Pakistan is a front line US ally right now that makes this map kind of tinted with lot of propaganda and hatred. In case of Afghanistan it may be correct because officially they are supporting this terrorism, in case of Pakistan we have these strange bedfellows out of default not design and we have to make do with them. I hope once again expediency may not lead US to forget about everything on the fringe once Osama issue is resolved. We ended up in bed with them out of policies that I have explained in later part that were faulty.

My great grand parents were Hindus probably, and I love Hindus and have no alliance with the Arab grid or descendancy that most of the Pakistanis would like to call them in or relate to. We were all converted to what we are today as matter of fact as a part of destiny probably. Some who were weakest converted to Islam first, the strongest and the Jats resisted that Islamic invasion well and were left as they were, as such we are cousins of Hindus, when a drop of Hindu blood is spilled it is our blood and for me it has to stop and this is the reason I was the host of the famous Vajpayee mission to Lahore and we still tell our nation go get friendship with India is our prerogative, this will one day happen and will happen soon.

For me a Hindu live is as important as a Muslim live or any Jewish life. I have hated this hatred and hopefully expect that eternal friendship with India and Israel will come true one day. Indian and Pakistan has fought many wars but they have a relationship that goes beyond hatred or love, it is in between love and little dislike, our culture is common our goals to eradicate poverty common and now we have been engaging in soul searching to find the right bearing to go ahead and stop this blood shed. All of these terrorists even in that plane came from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Lebanon, and one thing is common they are all close US allies. And the worst no one wants to see from where they are being produced, the two plane that hit North and South Tower were piloted by mad Egyptian fundos from Cairo, now we need to see what is causing these fundos to prepare, where is the hornets nest, it is not in my country it is all around Islamic world that has gone crazy in search of that greatest day. Run to the moral depravity depths and rewards on ‘
Day of judgement’ where these crooks will be rewarded has blinded them. It is the ideological belief that as made them mad not the country they belong too.

Pakistan was considered as the terror bed but look at where the US might have landed. It is in Pakistan and none of the perpetrators or think tanks is fortunately Pakistani. It was propaganda, the Arab international network of terrorists does not trust the Pakistanis too close to Americans they are termed as and they think that they can be moles, they just use them, as FL’s to use the land calling Pakistan ‘a fortress of Islam’ and then ditch them in poverty to rot. We have learned our lesson as that Pakistani strong man said ‘I am not going to protect the interest for anything else but Pakistan’. With that one address, he shell shocked the ideological basis of the country that ‘calls the interests of Islam above the countries’ but that was rejected. In my opinion it is a turning point and a significant one for the Islamic world. Undoubtedly, this will have long-term implications on future relationships.

To hide behind Islam, these terrorists destroy the nation by engaging in this kind of activities. As I mentioned in my first post, Pakistan is the pivot to address these issues; In addition, they are dependable US allies also. Instead of being the target, Pakistan are now a front line state allied with the US. Much as our enemies detest it, the US has realised that this is where her interests lies, it has also promised us to help eradicate terrorism, all these organisations would be wiped cleaned with US help, it was US that created them, the mother of all ‘Taliban’ to destroy communism, we need them to be destroyed now by the US. What one sow is what one can see reap? Before the Afghan war that Pakistan fought as a proxy for the US to bring U.S.S.R down, every gun was licensed. I was born in a small town, which had 2 missionary schools, St Mary’s and St Xavier and over 15 missionaries teaching at these schools. My small town had two full-size churches and until 1969, I remember visiting these churches and it was obligatory on all students, Father Boneventure and Father Todd would see to it that we would make to for early prayers. This was my country.

In the Afghan War, Islamic fundamentalism was supported to destroy the Russians. The dirty proxy war was left for the Pakistanis and Afghanis to fight. The fundamentalist and extremist General Zia was supported to the hilt and Americans looked the other way when the General closed down the missionary’s schools all over Pakistan. He then began merciless censorship and open imports of arms and 100,000 one can seeing Arab Islamic one can see they were invited to engage the Russians. Who trained Laden? Who trained all these would be soldiers of Islam? It was the CIA. Who trained the ISI to become such a draconian organisation? Who gave us billions of dollars in aid to build up our military might that could challenge India that was a far bigger power and should have been the logical custodian in the region? It was the US, which made us the force that we are today, and one can see who have the audacity to point Pakistan as a center of terrorism. Yes it probably is, but do not forget who made Pakistan what it is today.

Everyone can be nuked for the 5,000 innocent lives in which 200 of my fellow country men are buried but since 1979, Pakistan has lost 280,000 people in terrorist attacks as a result of intervention in the Afghan war against the Russians. People didn’t even know about it. It has dawned upon everyone and they are surprised why Powell and Cheney are supporting Pakistan and why Pakistan has been elevated to ally to the chagrin of many. It is because the past and present American leaders realise what Pakistan has done for the US and has risen to the occasion every time.

Everyone has his own agenda and the ideal thing for my nations enemies would have been total eradication and destruction of Pakistan. This diplomatic coup by my president has been a nightmare to Pakistan’s foe. No Pakistani leader has ever put her own country ahead of Islam and has suffered for it like our Afghan adventure was based on saving Islam from communism and in hindsight we should have not. We should have not helped the US with the proxy war to destroy Russia. Afghanistan would have been a more stable country like China is today and Pakistan would have not become the hostage of terrorist networks. The deranged terrorist Arabs like Laden would have not been brought by CIA to my country to train there. The infrastructure of my country laid beautifully by the British over 200 years of colonial rule was destroyed as a result of the Afghan war.

The Islamic demi-gods that we have today are a direct consequence of sleeping with US policies and one can see who wanted us to be nuked, the innocent people of Pakistan? I am feeble but even a feeble person like me hopefully break those hands and gouge those eyes that cast an unwarranted action against my country without any cause, if Pakistan would have sided with the Taliban I would have had nothing to do with that decision. But to day after all this as a nation no one would like to be ridiculed or threatened to be nuked.

We are reasonable people but no one can bulldoze us. If anyone has any doubts on our strategic capabilities, ask the Russians.

The terrorism sponsored by the organisations based in Pakistan is centred on Kashmir. It is something that Pakistani's would have to deliver now, the annihilation of these terrorist organisations. Justice would require that after killing all of them or nuking them as the case may require, UN resolutions may be referred to get the settlement. Now that raises temperatures I don’t know why.

Give the Kashmir’s right to vote on self-determination that is what they want, like I have every four years and to their terrorist give them hell. I hope this will be acceptable to everyone reasonable. These UN resolutions giving the right of self-determination to Kashmir’s date back to 1949, and they are all in cold storage. But look who is the biggest loser, when I wrote that article ‘Darkest days’ I pointed out that pressure will be on states that continue to overlook UN resolutions.

Hamas will be liquidated but so has Israel withdrawn from Territories yesterday. That was predicted, and pressure is now own to start the peace process. Same with these organisations don’t overlook that fact that causes of problems will be addressed, as the obvious would be attacked.

Pakistan has to stop this criminal activity of abetting terrorism on its soil but so would India have to relent on UN resolutions. The later is more worrisome part for many a states who wished to neglect these very rights of human being like freedom and right to vote under pretext of fighting terrorism, one can see that the former act of abetting terrorism was only a goal to achieve the later. This will now be probably achieved and that concern some as ‘paradigm of relationships and dynamics of UN resolutions will change completely. This was not the result expected out of this 'darkest day' in mankinds history expectations were that ‘nuke’ everyone in sight strategy would be adopted, as time has passed it is the closest of the allies whose nationslsd are involved and that is quite tricky to handle.

These entire terrorist organisations based in Cairo, Syrian, Palestinian, Kashmiris would have to go but so would be the result that the long cold stored neglected solutions will be provided. The terrorist organisations have hijacked just causes and given a bad name. Now the world will ask about the underlying causes. They would have to be addressed even after 50 nukes. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan was rebuilt by McArthur, so were Germans who mercilessly killed 10 million Jews for no fault, but they were given a Marshall plan, same thing will happen with many of these very unfortunate countries, the people of the world may be ‘Nuked’ that I doubt, but may be some represent that strong US will and strong passion, but the ultimate result of all this will be more than one can imagine. The very causes these bastards organisations hijack and so far were unresolved will be resolved, that is may be the real worry of many a people.

Too many Nukes will destroy also the ecological balance of the world, so US also have to be careful about selectivity of that. Most of these bastards as far as Pakistan is concerned very much have their organisational structures near city centres so Lahore and Sialkot can be nuked to take out 4,000 of these crooks, the innocents 5 million can go to hell, after all what is 5 million Pakistanis nuke them. No, it is not logical; we cannot become terrorists like these crooks and bandits out their, what these guys want us to become exactly that, we will maintain that decency as humans and find them and destroy them.

By the way Pakistan and Indians have Nuke too, they can use it quite easily on their own respective populace if ‘Nuking them’ become a fashion like changing underwear’s. I know this will break my truce, but I have the same rights to defend my nation as some have the rights to attack it despite being today an ally of US. Those who are not prepared to forgive us for what these alliances represent. That is not broad US thinking today and I am proud of that. Indians and Pakistanis are sensible breed, we visit each other, we have long-standing relationships and we will come out of it intact. At the moment we are allies with US and providing all possible help and 40 scuds are facing my town and my house, which for me is big enough a sacrifice to kill terrorism and deal it the final coup de grace.

If one can’t respect my nation who is standing by I would not like that these funny remarks about nuking the innocent lives of Pakistani and Afghan peoples are gone unnoticed. Yes 5,000 lives were lost but do not forget the sacrifice of 280,000 Pakistanis who have become a cannon fodder of the Afghan war in act of terrorism and in war. Today I am only requesting that at least consider that 60 Pakistani lives are equal to 1 American life. Don’t forget that the 40 scuds the Taliban have will fall on Pakistanis and not Americans.

One again we have proven our dedication to spill blood for an American cause. We, as an nation are proud of standing with America in her hour of need like we did in WW2, Korean War, Cuban Missile Crisis by giving airbases in Pakistan to fly U-2 planes, post-Vietnam War by opening up the bridges for a relationship between China and the US. It was the disappearance of Henry Kissinger in Islamabad for 2 days when he went to Peking in a Pakistani plane to meet Chairmen Mao. On this, Richard Nixon said and I quote “ We will never forget the help of Pakistan in opening China”. In 1978-88, we fought Russia as a proxy for one can see. We have our honour and dignity and it is Pakistan who has stood by the US when they needed us. Please understand and don’t belittle our contribution. I assure you that nuclear and missile technology is no fun, too hot to handle, we are on the verge of producing thermo-nuclear weapons and so we now what this dirty game is all about. Every nation has its ‘doomsday’ scenario we have one too. We cannot do much but like French De-Gaulle use to say we will tear the arm that tries to nuke us just for fun and without a cause, for a cause we will accept it.

Iqbal Latif



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