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Thursday, 09/13/2001 9:13:52 PM

Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:13:52 PM

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Let me start by stating that when I first came here I instantly saw that your opinion was masked by others written columns that I had previously read because you did not provide the URL. Typically people do not read the articles and thus would assume you to be the author voicing an opinion when it is not yours at all. Thus I merely read your posts and went got the articles then posted the URLs.

Your response was small, like “nice articles”. Then you finally come out with what I was looking for in your propaganda post. I could not get through the first few paragraphs and I was getting sick and then after I reread it I became angry. There is a point where I can;t read pass. I have been in a war and I know what propaganda is and the spinning of words.

Americans were drew into WWII by Japan with the attack on Pearl Harbor. Thus after entering the war and losing more and more American thus came Hiroshima and Nagasaki which put an end to it. But this attack on the WTC was very well planned to do nothing else but bring the USA into a declared yet formally undeclared Holy War. Makes me think of a nondenial denial. Everything in the interviews and the Arabian papers prior to this murderous war tactic shows that forces in the Middle East knew and wanted the USA in this holy confrontation. The only way was to do a terrorsitic act large enough to draw the US in.

Thia shows that Arbian media possibly knew this murderous act was coming
http://star.arabia.com/article/0,5596,87_1970,00.html Sep 09, 2001, 12:38 PM Quotes:
1. IT IS inevitable. Despite their best intentions, Americans, are going to find themselves physically part of the conflict in the Middle East.
2. And now, largely unbeknownst to them, they are playing a role in the way a war is being waged. It is not a declared war;
3. Are Americans aware that no response still counts as a response, leaving them complicit in actions they would surely find reprehensible?
4. With all this in mind, will Americans remain mute when one of their own comes in harm’s way?
5. But the reality is Americans come together when they see one of their own attacked.


To the interview with Bin Laden http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/dailynews/terror_980609.html
“We have seen in the last decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier who is ready to wage Cold Wars and unprepared to fight long wars. This was proven in Beirut when the Marines fled after two explosions. It also proves they can run in less than 24 hours, and this was also repeated in Somalia.” ”We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa.”

In American History the original American had a term …‘Fork Tongue.” Reading your composition I never really understood the true meaning. What I did get without a doubt is you just wrote a sympathizing touting glorifying composition to terrorism while stimulating the emotions of American readers.

Basically that composition is an expression of a Catch 22 and laughing at the US and the loss of the innocent lives by a murderous terroristic act. You fuel the US should enter the Holy War and take out the terrorist but you realize that the Islam innocent will stand up to not let that happen. If the US goes through the innocent then they become that which they are after. You want the US in this Holy war so it can be used against them as being terrorists and taking innocent lives. You want the US to clean up this that the Islam nations will not do.

You start it off to spark anger by naming it “Death of Freedom” knowing full well freedom has nothing to do with this murderous act. But if you can sell this nonsense then the US will be “freedom fighters” and bring the snake to the level of the terrorist known as “:freedom fighters.”

But then you compare WTC mass murder to “Mongols burning of Baghdad and the entire loss of Islamic treasures.” This instantly brought to mind Suddam. There were far greater atrocities like the enslavement of the Jews by the Babylon. Anyway that seems odd to me because I realize that the day of the WTC murderous annihilation was 9-11-2001 the 10th anniversary (9-11-2001) when President Bush Sr. stood before Congress where he expressed that Suddam would not succeed in the take over of Kuwait. But Suddam has not been mentioned yet. This was about Usama Bin Ladin operating a vast, international terrorism network. This makes me think that Suddam is behind this somehow. Especially since the White House and Airforce one was targeted which means aside from economic disablement this was an assassination attempt on our President. Was that Suddam’s price to help in this well oiled murderous act?

You touting the economic world is on its knees, basically, but that can be handled simply by restricting short selling. That will improve the world markets in no time. However though out this entire propaganda, as far as I could read, you are looking for reassurances that this ghastly murderous terrorist act will live in infamy in the minds of Americans that can be used at a sympathy tool for support in regard to the plight of the Isla, Nations once America enters this holy war and does one thing against an innocent...

Further, you brag that “the vulnerabilities of America’s domestic defense were revealed.” We would not need a domestic defense if terrorism was abolished by those that claim to be part of a Holy War. You also make reference that no matter how much money the USA spends, nothing we can do to stop terrorism. You are basically stating that the terrorist can take box cutters and cripple a nation and affect humanity. Thus they are invincible. What it appears to be is you are bragging that you believe no one can stop terrorism.

You attempt to overly emphasize the importance of this Murderous act by stating, “mankind’s darkest day.” Though I believe this is up there in the Chronicles of America, what about the Jews and Hilter. What other Murderous campaigns like Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rogue just for some. What you are trying to portray is misleading though one of the darkest days in America it is not however the darkest day in mankind. This glorification of this terroristic murderous act on humanity is absurd. This is flat out murder and the resolve is what is going to be darkest day in terrorism.

I almost threw up when I read this “The attack on World Trade Center and its associated human loss of life is ironically maybe too small a price for what has changed for humanity today.” TOO SMALL? IRONICALLY? Typically, ironic is use in an usually humorous or sardonic literary style of expression and I find nothing humorous about the LITTLE value you place on human live as compared to humanity change. I read this that the price is TOO small and that you feel more lives should have happened. Your expression this is a cheap price to pay made me sick. Thus the more I tried to rationalize this the angrier I got. How much Himan life would be acceptable for it to not be ironic or too small?

But then you try to instill the image of fear by stating “The next time any plane in the air will not only be worrisome for the passengers, but the real agony will be for the people on the surface over whose heads these planes shall be hovering.” Thus I believe the propaganda is to show how this murderous act has made the world come to its knees with fear. Most are aware that terrorists and their sympathizers are masters at the art of instilling ultimate fear. I will not be afraid of planes flying overhead nor will I be afraid to get on one either. But you hijack one I am on and thus you will have to kill me.

Then you point out that Islam is not about death so why haven’t the Islam nations not called out for the capturing of these holy radical criminals? How many people outside the realm of you region and reliligion have died in this holy war globally by your radical terrorist? How many more have to die before Islam nation calls for the disbanding of these criminals and bring them forward to face charges for crimes against humanity? Has this ever been done or is the sheltering them from the outside world an Islam nation way of protecting their Holy War fighters against the infidels?

“Is this a fair price to pay for the whole Islamic nations that today one billion people are under suspicion? The act of few has clouded the prospects of billion. That is not something, which is acceptable.” No but what can you expect. This also leads to the Catch 22. I do not see the Islam nations trying to stop terrorism considering some of the terrorism comes from Islam nations. Islam dances in the streets over innocent deaths. Yet you state Islam is about love and peace. Islam as far as I have watched is mainly terrorism, war, death and hatred in the name of a supreme deity. That is why I am studying the history of Islam as I showed you in another post. These same terrorists are not hunted down like dogs by the ones that harbor them. I doubt this represents Islam faith so I am totally confused why Islam has not put an end to these types once the first terroristic act was performed.

As with each paragraph you start out making observations to keep the Americans feeling your sencerity and end up insulting America and praise this terroristic murderous act. Bottom line you are calling for America to enter the Holy War that they cannot win and will be the destruction of America for daring to try. But America has no choice which you clearly convey. “They have to mingle with the world; they have to be associated with the world. Their vulnerabilities are huge.” As you brag on the results of this heinous crime and our weakness I am reminded of the Laden interview..

“Never before in history, even after the Second World War, did markets close for three continuous days.” Thus you wallow in the pride of the murderous radicals possibly harming the economic structure of the world.

But then you go as far as to state, ”The nuclear arsenal stands useless today as a resolve of a few individuals ready to die for a controversial cause; they have glaringly opened vulnerabilities of the greatest empire the world has ever seen since Rome.” I got news for you sand can turn sand to glass very easily if that is what the final act has to be. Especially since it has been proven over and over again that to die in a holy war is the Islam way to go. Thus by drawing in the snake (USA) in and then Islam innocents standing between the infidels and the martyrs, death is of no consideration. This whole composition is about the theme of try and take out the terrorist that can’t be stopped and you will have to kill innocent people and thus you become what you are after.

I do not worry about fanatics dancing in the streets over murder. I wonder what kind of people can this be.

I can’t read this propaganda complete because the entire composition is a fork tongue crock. But I will tell you this, the eye opener will come when your high and mighty terrorists have no where to run and anyone that harbors them is no better than they are and will face the same fate. The US will not be terrorists but right now terrorist are face with the ultimate terror to try and survive.

Personally, I think that any loss of life is TOO MUCH a price to be paid by terrorist or war or any other political or holy war murderous accomplishment by radicals to change himanity.

I say give the sympathizing states that harbor the terrorist 24 hours to surrender all terrorists or make glassy plains.


:=) Gary Swancey

:=) Gary Swancey

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