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Re: excel post# 8457

Tuesday, 03/13/2007 12:55:44 PM

Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:55:44 PM

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excel I'm not a scholar either,
but the KJ has problems too. Here are two examples off the top of my head.

KJ
Hebrew 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. (reconciliation)

...Thus in Luke 18:13 it signifies to be propitious or merciful to (with the person as the object of the verb), and in Heb. 2:17 to expiate, to make propitiation for (the object of the verb being sins); here the R.V., "to make propitiation" is an important correction of the A.V., "to make reconciliation." Through the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, he who believes upon Him is by God's own act delivered from justly deserved wrath, and comes under the covenant of grace. Never is God said to be reconciled, a fact itself indicative that the enmity exist on man's part alone, and that it is man who needs to be reconciled to God, and not God to man. God is always the same and, since He is Himself immutable, His relative attitude does change towards those who change. He can act differently towards those who come to Him by faith, and solely on the ground of the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, not because He has changed, but because He ever acts according to His unchanging righteousness...

KJ
Romans 5:11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement. (atonement)

Atonement: Katallage "atonement" in the A.V. of Rom. 5:11, signifies, not "atonement," but "reconciliation," as in the R.V. See also Rom. 11:15, 2 Cor 5:18,19 ~ So with the corresponding verb katallasso, see under RECONCILE. "Atonement" (the explanation of this English word as being at-one-ment is entirely fanciful) is frequently found in the O.T. See, for instance, Leviticus, chapters 16 and 17. The corresponding N.T. words are hilasmos, propitiation, 1Jn. 2:2;4 4:10, and hilasterion, Rom. 3:25; Heb. 9:5, "mercy-seat," the covering of the ark of the Covenant. These describe the means (in and through the Person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, in His death on the Cross by the shedding of His blood in His vicarious sacrifice for sin) by which God shows mercy to sinners. See PROPITIATION
Vine's expository dictionary of new testament words, unabridged edition.

Back in the 80's I had a friend who taught high school. He volunteered his time and talent at church teaching Greek on Wed. eve.. A bunch of us from church were eager to learn Greek. (This guy read his N.T. in Greek the way we read ours in English)
After about three classes I dropped out. He came up to my house to find out why I quit. I just told the truth. That it reminded me of school, and I hated school, and I didn't want to apply myself because I thought it was hard. LOL He tried to encourage me (you know how teachers are) but I stood my ground. I told him I was too lazy to learn and I wanted to learn Greek with out any effort on my part. LOL

He was so nice. He helped me order and made sure I got the right version of Vine's. He also helped me order a Hebrew lexicon. I own a paper-back Strong's which is easy to look up words where they are at. BUT for definitions I go to Vine's. Hands down, it is the best. That remark came from a guy who taught Greek. There are many corrections to the KJ version. I gave you two examples. Gasp. LOL
And I seriously doubt if VERITAS is a scholar. I clicked "home" on one of his web sites, and the site was dedicated to the KJ only. Scholars don't do that kind of stuff. fwiw. Don't let it bother you. It doesn't even phase me because I know better. :)
BTW Nice post!

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