RichieBoy Saturday, 03/10/07 12:23:04 PM Re: midastouch017 post# 284 Post # of 322 Physically you can't go back in time Strategically well that's what it's all about. This was obviously a brutal black eye for your navy's training procedures failed that ship. Command and control systems were tragically compromised through a breakdown in the chain of command. The navy won't want to discuss this publicly any more than they have too. Hopefully internal "administration" will ensure this never happens or even gets the chance to happen again. The captain was not aware from the bridge his radars were off in time of war strongly suggests complacency alright but with any luck over ride alarms which could only be switched off from the bridge might prevent a repeat performance. Hindsight being 20/20 I'm sure the sailors who died would have wanted improved command and control procedures and systems for there shipmates. Easy from the outside to say officers responsible got off lightly. Safe to say there careers in the navy are toast and it's not the kind of story that is easy to tell your grand children. What is most confounding is the attitude of complacency or smugness as one bereaved family put it. Complacency CLEARLY the cause, the captain is always responsible regardless what happens ashore I am surprised the captain was not dishonourably discharged. Live&Learn eh Dubi? Thanks for the links. Best... Rich Anyway the chips fall. There is no better substitute than YOUR OWN DD Including mine...good luck!