In, re: the whole women's issues discussion being so casually devalued: Not to anyone in particular, but, seriously, gentlemen, by now has it not been well and surely objectively proven that exhibiting significant hubris by discussing and opining ridiculous arguments and flippant, often disrespectful commentary to address what should be left to scientists, doctors and women is futile and insulting? Since I don't have anything of consequence to interject, I haven't, and suggest consideration that many here do the same, as this exhibition shows the subject is beyond collective capability and capacity to treat with due respect. Finally, just put the hap crap on ignore and enjoy the sweet silence; let him speak into the wind and his empty drivel go unanswered. So, let the assault begin or at least someone start a new thread not so easily mangled!