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Re: brooklyn13 post# 463378

Sunday, 02/25/2024 2:05:05 PM

Sunday, February 25, 2024 2:05:05 PM

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Updated: He was talking about Jews whose opinions have changed. About many Jews who initially supported Israel. Jews who, am guessing because of Israel's brutality to Palestinians have moved from all out support to being not supportive.

Surely in reading the article that would have been clear to you so am thinking there must have been at least some honest tiny conflict in your mind in creating the first bit here:

"We already know that some American Jews are anti-Zionist or anti-Israel.As I’ve previously
pointed out, the American Satmar Hasidim are notoriously anti-Israel, for example.
You sure you want to repost articles by Mearsheimer? You haven’t done your DD on him, have you?


It feels a bit disingenuous to me. Of course in saying that i'm giving you some credit in that in your reading of the article you must
have seen clearly he was not focused on Jews whom had always been "notoriously anti-Israel." Yet you said what you said.

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Update: To include your substantial redo of your first bit:
"There is a subset of Jews, American and otherwise, who believe that since the Bible (I think) states that the Messiah will lead the Jews to the Promised Land and since there’s been no Messiah, that Israel, therefore, is a bogus construct. The Satmars take part in just about every pro- Pali / anti-Israel rally in the NYC metro area"

My comment on your initial still stands. On your new above i'll take your word for now on what you say, while adding there are many Jews and non-Jews who believe Jews are their God's favorite people, and that he gifted Palestine to them. I believe the Bible says that too.
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On Mearsheimer i would have looked at him all those years ago. All i remember now is that he always seemed to
know what he was talking about and that i agreed with him sometimes. Just bumped into his position on Ukraine ..

Att: B402 - What John Mearsheimer gets wrong about Ukraine
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Related: Why John Mearsheimer Blames the U.S. for the Crisis in Ukraine
For years, the political scientist has claimed that Putin’s aggression toward Ukraine is caused
by Western intervention. Have recent events changed his mind?

[...]
The great-power realist lets theory get in the way of fact.
By Katie Stallard
IMAGE - Photo by Lyndon French
Heaps more links
When the facts change, the Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Samuelson once said, I change my mind. Not so the realist scholar John Mearsheimer who, despite repeated evidence to the contrary, remains wedded to his conviction that the West is to blame for Russia’s war on Ukraine .. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine , that Vladimir Putin .. https://www.newstatesman.com/tag/vladimir-putin .. is not an imperialist, and that the Russian president is a “first-class strategist”. To Mearsheimer and his defenders, he is a courageous teller of truths. But there is a basic flaw at the heart of his argument: he does not understand Russian or Ukrainian domestic politics.
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.. which i don't agree with.

Seems i and many American Jews are more like Samuelson than Mearsheimer on the 'change of mind' thing. You may be more like Mearsheimer.

It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”

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