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Re: WardOffMonkey post# 881

Wednesday, 02/14/2007 1:36:25 AM

Wednesday, February 14, 2007 1:36:25 AM

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Hi W.O.Monkey,
If Jesus said it, then he meant it.
EVERYTIME you see an "if" in the bible...
that means just that.
IT IS CONDITIONAL.
1JOHN1:9
IF...we (BELIEVERS) <<<think about it, CONFESS our SINS (present/after Initial 4giveness) than he is faithful and just to 4give us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This book was written as instuction TO THE BELIEVER long after John3:16
You see...the wages-of sin- never change.
only- the method of cleansing.
same as o/t.
The sacrifice now IS JESUS/yes. ONCE FOR ALL-DEATH THAT IS.
THE DIFFERENCE.
O/T still YEARLY had to attone for sins.
Today, our attonement is PAID through Jesus - BY OUR CONFESSION TO HIM, OUR ASKING.

To tell NON-believers THEY SIN...
and yet "now that we are believers"........our sin is no longer "SIN"?? THAT IS WRONG.

Here is what is happening when you claim ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED: You are denying the trinity. The God of the bible.
You ask how??? simple.

When any RELIGION/IDEA *REMOVES ANY<<< NEED, for the TRIUNE GODHEAD, there is a problem.
AND...THATS WHY THERE ARE SOOOOOOOO MANY DIFF DOCTRINES.

1)Calvinism= no need for Jesus-cuz God chose us first.
2)Oneness= no death on the cross-cuz if....there is only ONE God of the untrinity, than...How could Jesus raise from the dead??? The bible says the Father did so. Make since??
so oneness would have to admit Jesus never REALLY died, cuz if he did, hed still be.
3)ETERNAL SECURITY= no MEDIATOR. ONGOING.
NO NEED FOR FAITH/CHRISTIANITY/The Holy Spirit...which of course= blasphemy to say that.

ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED- Tells a BEliever he can TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND GO TO HEAVEN. -lie from satan.

or blaspheme AND BECOME A SATAN WORSHIPPER after genuine repentance and faith to the Lord.- lie from satan.

A LICENSE TO SIN.
REVELATION 21:8 **READ IT.
IT SAYS.....a whole list of sins AND THESE WILL GO TO THE LAKE OF FIRE WHICH IS THE 2ND DEATH. ETERNALLY.
**READ IT.
it says "unbeliever"..... as only ONE "SIN-action" THAT WILL SEND A PERSON TO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

THINK ABOUT THAT EVERYONE.
*satans 1st lie was.....thou shalt not surely die!!!
did adam/eve die physically right away? no.
but spiritually? YES THEY DID.
you can be without sin/perfect and FALL FROM GRACE.
LUCIFER WAS A PERFECT ANGEL WITH FREEWILL AND HE CHOOSE TO SIN, AND TOOK 1/3 with him.... They were NOT once perfect/saved always so.
or the JEWS!!! THEY WERE GODS WIFE/PEOPLE FIRST.
AND THEY WERE CUT OFF!!! Id be fearful.
Not to mention God's final warnings are the last 3 verses in the bible. If it says you can be BLOTTED OUT...that declares you FIRST HAD TO BE WITHIN.

Serious things to consider.
All for now.

It is a puzzling thing. The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.

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