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Re: janice shell post# 1903

Wednesday, 05/19/2021 3:17:36 PM

Wednesday, May 19, 2021 3:17:36 PM

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You have shown ZERO proof that either HCQ or ivermectin is being used in India.

It's being used in India as a prophylaxis to prevent infection in the police, hospital services. For reasons unknown to science.

And it seems politically motivated. For exammple PM Modi is advocating that use, while the Indian Medical community is responding with:

Drs in revolt

Shriprakash Kalantri, director professor of medicine at the Mahatma Gandhi Institute of Medical Sciences in the central Indian town of Wardha, told The BMJ, “It is unfortunate—we’re seeing the country’s top health research body abandoning ethics and science.”

In the eight weeks since the council issued its first advisory, said Kalantri, it could have organised a large study with several thousands of healthcare workers randomly assigned to a hydroxychloroquine arm and a control arm. “The council could have easily done this: had it done so and shown positive results, it would have earned accolades and not the criticism it is facing now,” he said.



Imagine that ... someone out in the medical world still believes in clinical trials with the appropriate control arm(s).

There's only one study which showed benefit. Where the health workers took HCQ, and just as importantly had the preventative clothing. Do you see what's missing? The "control arm" where they gown up, and take a placebo pill.

From another BMJ article the conclusions were:

This evidence, or the lack thereof, hardly justifies state-endorsed, widespread use of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis.



Then we proceed to the next area: Taking HCQ after confirmed exposure to Covid.

That falls short

Conclusion: Postexposure therapy with hydroxychloroquine did not prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection or symptomatic Covid-19 in healthy persons exposed to a PCR-positive case patient.

Now back to India we go, the Indian Gov still allows HCQ to be used to treat Covid infections.

[url]https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n278
[/url][tag]Stoopid Indian Gov[/tag]

With a primary advisor who helped write the HCQ guidelines saying:

K S Sathish, a pulmonologist who helped develop Karnataka’s guidelines, agreed that hydroxychloroquine and itolizumab had no place in covid-19 treatment and would be removed from the guidelines soon. At the time of writing, Karnataka state guidelines have not been updated since October 2020, and continue to recommend these drugs.



Surprise even in India the bureaucracy churns slowly. And as we drive by the The Mahatma Gandhi Institute of Medical Sciences, they:

explicitly prohibits the use of favipiravir, hydroxychloroquine, plasma, itolizumab, and tocilizumab in its treatment protocol.



Sometimes bureaucracy involved in the Gov updating guidelines is passed on by.

So for a HCQ summary with Indian spice added: There has been no controlled clinical trial/study that shows prophylaxis use of HCQ before infection, prevents infection. There is a study indicating using HCQ as a post exposure prophylaxis fails. Along with numerous studies which show as a treatment post infection HCQ fails.

Of course on this forum the idea India has cut its new case rate recently by half is sorely due by some "HCQ magic". The mistaken idea everyone is suddenly gulping down HCQ. When the opposite is true. It can't possibly be due to once again implementing local lockdowns, more severe than could ever be proposed in the US. Na, restricting, and minimizing exposure to the virus could never work! LOL

thousands of patients have rec'd the hydroxy with positive results and physicians around the world have reported a 50% reductions in hospitalizations and reduced mortality.



Well, at least this lame claim was "millions". With no evidence to back it up.

And just like that another lame claim this time involving Ivermectin...

In India, a state called GOA implemented Ivermectin and started reducing Covid cases.

In another state, called Tamil Nadu stopped the use of Ivermectin and started treating with Remdesivir and cases are off the chart.



Of course Goa implementing more serious lockdowns than Tamil Nadu isn't important.

The link pointed to proclaims: After starting widespread #ivermectin distribution on Monday, the Indian state of Goa has had a nearly 10% drop in case counts.

Too bad the new cases in Goa started to fall 11-May at 3123, to 1562 new cases 17-May, when the blessed Ivermectin was being distributed. Currently 1358 new cases. In another words the new cases dropped 50% in 6 days before Ivermectin was ever distributed. And in the 2 days since another 14%. If anything the decline in new cases has slowed down, since the Gov deworming policy with Ivermectin started. Such corruption when deworming people!

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