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Re: DarthYoda post# 744

Friday, 04/30/2021 10:31:58 AM

Friday, April 30, 2021 10:31:58 AM

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Oh, I should issue a correction. I meant October, not November for your primate paper.

Which is the publishing date. Nowhere in that paper does it state: The following tests were run on dd-mm-yy.Your conclusion the tests were run 6 months "after the fact" is false. Towards the bottom of the paper:

This article was published on July 28, 2020, and updated on August 7, 2020, at NEJM.org.



We also know this experiment took 8 weeks + 10 days.

The start of Phase 1 for the Moderna vaccine was 16-Mar-2020. When was FDA approval given to start the trial? Answer: 25-Feb-2020. It's quite conceivable this experiment could have started late Jan, and completed end of Mar. Thus your claim of 6 months becomes a few weeks "after the fact". With the facts known at the time that the vaccine stimulated high Ab titers, with mild disease (inflammation nasal passages). And there was no mass (or any) animal deaths due to vaccination.

Note also Covid was not the first time Moderna created a mRNA vaccine against a virus (e.g. Cytomegalovirus 2017). Thus, mRNAs already had a basic safety profile established.

"Northbrook woman contracts breakthrough COVID-19 infection after vaccination":



So??? That still doesn't change the fact Covid in the 65+ group has plummeted.

CDC has found 40% of breakthrough cases are those 60 or older and 65% are women. Doctors are studying among the group how many people have compromised immunity.



Indeed how many had immuno compromised systems. How many had co-morbidities such as obesity, diabetes, Atherosclerosis-coronary disease?

Nationally, there have been more than seven thousand cases, nearly 500 hospitalizations, and 88 deaths.



And nowhere even close to herd immunity currently. From early Feb when the vaccines were first rolled out, and in limited supply there have been 5M new cases. Along with 100K+ deaths. So one is suppose to say the vaccine doesn't work due to 7K cases, and 88 deaths, in the same time period?

So they ARE unapproved. Nothing straw man about that.



Until they get the BLAs approved. And it is a "straw man" argument. Would one prefer to have 7K cases from the vaccinated population, or an acceleration of cases above 100K (i.e. hello B.1.1.7).

Neither is the EUA followed by a BLA the only short cut to getting a treatment to the market. Hint: There is something called Phase 4. So let's not act like the FDA must keep an urgent need or breakthrough treatment off the market for N yrs, so as to satisfy bureaucracy.

mRNA tests prior to the existence of SARSCOV2. The covid vaccines themselves are obviously already damaging humans just fine on their own now.



Wrong again. Each step in the manufacture of the mRNA had to be documented, with data. That includes basic safety testing.

mRNA Covid vaccines are not damaging humans. I remain undamaged from the 2nd jab 15-Mar. As do the rest vaccinated with the mRNA vaccines.

Oh, also regarding "hospitalization rates for 65+". Those numbers, and the case numbers for all ages, have been an inflated lie from the beginning. So, they can go down whenever the CDC wants them to.



And why would the CDC want to do this? With an Administration in 2020 that was pressuring the CDC to lower the numbers? There's no evidence the CDC has inflated anything.


A whole lot of people in hospitals were told they had covid simply because they had flu symptoms(or no symptoms at all) and a positive PCR test,



First of all most people feeling normal, don't rush to the hospital everyday. For those with flu like symptoms, positive for Covid via a PCR test, and die of organ failure due to a cytokine storm... then Covid becomes the root cause.

Better late than never right? Tell that to the dead people



In another words if the vaccine had arrived earlier there wouldn't have been 589K deaths. Try multiplying 88*15 months - along with those having co-morbidities.

For those who choose to not get vaccinated, and remain one of the potential 60K new cases every day, and the 1K deaths/day, as far as I'm concerned they can talk to themselves. Tell each other how evil the vaccines are. Pretend it's all a Gates hoax, and people are really dying from common cold due to cough. Claiming mass paralysis from the vaccines, or everyone's favorite "sterilization". it's a way to rationalize, and feel smug about not being vaccinated - isn't it?

If one wants to be fair, then let's allow health insurers to raise the premium costs on anyone who doesn't want to become vaccinated. As in jack up the premiums high, so as to cover the costs of treating severe Covid. There's no reason for those who have taken self responsibility for their health, and became vaccinated, should have to pay for the healthcare costs, and conspiracy beliefs of the un-vaccinated. Instinct tells me that faced with their premiums going up a few hundred per month, or believing in conspiracies, the support for conspiracies would start to fade Cha-Ching$.

Also the masks come off after Jul - right? Everyone who wants to be vaccinated will have been by then. There's no reason for those vaccinated to set a good example wearing a mask for the un-vaccinated who want to infect each other. Go for it!

After all..."We are talking about a "pandemic", not the playoffs. Get it?".

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