thankyou, I sometimes assume posters know these things. now that I have had some rest. I look at it a little different, but the facts remain, this company is now approaching its limit of 500M shares issued. that is not good for anyone accept the one who owns them, and, it provides a view of the financials, good to get rid of the debt, bad that it cannot be taken care of by cash from revenue. another reminder, I remember when there were ~100 million shares, and there was to be a buyback for shareholder value. I bought many shares with that concept in mind.