Thanks Greg, we are on the same page. I know a man who lives up in the Staunton, va. area, a good, good Christian man......one Sunday, years ago, I was teaching class and after everyone left he lingered behind and told me and my wife that the day would come when I quit attending the Methodist church. I will not say if the following is good or bad but a time in his life came when he gave up totally on going to church, the organized churches, instead every Sunday morning he would leave his house and go out back and walk up the mountain and there he would spend his Sunday time with God. His daughter told us about her dad and his visits to the mountain....He just felt so close to God. I do not know if he was right or wrong, but truly being in the presence of God, His Son & the Holy Spirit is truly an awesome experience......that is one good place to be