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Re: vintagesake post# 8729

Thursday, 01/16/2020 4:11:38 PM

Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:11:38 PM

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Greetings Vintagesake,

Over a few decades of owning "fallen angels" and penny stocks - I've learned a few things.

Posters on message boards "as Mark Twain would say" deserve a 50% in believability in too many cases.

Remember that whether a poster is strongly and vibrantly positive or negative - is all about making money for themselves in a great many cases. I've been involved in numerous SEC related situations where I was either a witness or a claimant. Often those who seem to have great knowledge are part of the problem - and their goal is to reveal only half the story and step down any potential for 100% accuracy.

The SEC is not a mindless entity and the FBI works as PART of the investigative efforts for the SEC. But the SEC is also not unaware that stockholders that are not privy to all the confidential information are not the ones to punish. They want the ones who do deliberate fraud, larceny, or boneheaded actions they were entrusted to do properly. I've seen parts of a board of directors split - where part were pursued by the SEC and the other part were not only blameless - but actually were put in a position to pursue the money and the bad guys.

I've also seen tremendous conspiracy on some message boards over the years -- and some of those efforts lasted a couple years in timeframe on those message boards - and was ultimately proven and prosecuted. Whether that is true on CYIOS - I can't express an opinion one way or the other.

Obviously a $500,000 fine to the company and $100,000 fine to the head of the company means something very wrong was done by more than just the company head.

So just as an example that no one is talking about is "what is left" for shareholders. Now I want to be specific - the "remaining and innocent shareholders". If you look up total shares of the company - that may CERTAINLY not be correct in the words "remaining and innocent". The SEC is logical. Why would there be 2 sets of fines if just Carnahan was the only issue? Remember a big piece of that 36 million shares is insider owned (big piece). So how many of that 36 million shares is owned by the "remaining and innocent" ? I'd suggest no one "assume" that $500,000 disgorgement is referring to all 36,000,00 shareholders.

My point is - is the $500,000 fine "NOT the remaining and innocent" part - in other words is there REMAINING VALUE for those of us that are the "remaining and innocent" ?

My point is what may be left from the sale of the shell and from potential insurance may not be related to the $500,000 disgorgement - at all. The SEC is verrrry accurate - they used a specific legal term - disgorgement - for those fines.

My point is - for every negative statement a poster could and can make - its easy to locate a point that does not effect the "remaining AND innocent shareholders" - only the non-innocent players. That's my opinion - because the SEC wouldn't have reinstated the company into what it is today otherwise. Remember - 2 sets of fines - not one - means others were involved in some fashion or form.

I'm not an attorney by any means - but you'll typically see in my posts - that "certainty" is not my method - unless its on paper for everyone to see - and its complete. There are far too many "non-negative" issues seen that indicate to me that the SEC is not trying to cut up the remaining INNOCENT shareholders. Their words are specific, their actions are specific - and not complete in logic and reasoning at this point.


So my point is - for every dollar in company remaining value - I think there is less holders to divy it up. How many less holders - that makes a big difference - and also explains why there are many eager buyers right now possibly. Its easy to understand why there are sellers - fear and lack of reasoning or clarity IMO.

So I wait to see how the rest of the jigsaw puzzle pieces will fit as we get the balance of the financials still coming by SEC requiements. Because once those pieces come - I don't believe you'll be able to buy the stock PERCENTAGE per share that currently exists at the current pricing. But that's just my opinion.

An example - almost 20 years ago - a high flyer software company suddenly was discovered to have had key leadership taking huge amounts of money from the company with massive fraud over years - and skip the country. A lawsuit was begun with the SEC's assistance and while many said "you're lucky if you get 1% or 2% back - they actually got 40+% back for effected shareholders of that timeframe. The fact is it was a great effort by the joint SEC and shareholders - elaborate, patient, and forceful.

If a person or shareholder is innocent - the SEC is not your enemy in my opinion and their goal is not to penalize the innocent - jmho.

By the way - don't take my word for anything - evaluate my points I make - and you'll find question marks - not certainty that all things aren't bad and horrible smile

Axle-and-Hub