No it started with you and me discussing VFIN who has sold the most shares of PLNI year to date. <b>I never stated in any post that [PLNI] entered into any Death Spiral Debenture. That I agree on.</b> They have however used PIPE's by the shear definition of it. P.I.P.E ".... PIPE stands for <b>"Private Investment in Public Equity"</b> ...very simple." That I have clearly demonstrated for you! regards, shorts