I too have heard from people that have met him or know him that Hagen is a smart, capable, hard working guy. I like his strategy of building up work force, introducing key, high quality new products and marketing. Based on PRs it 's working. Uplisting could come this week, and we have a base value going forward to 2020 of .45, as per DD by Illiad Research. Share price is very undervalued, and I think q2 revs will make that clear.