finesand, thxs.. appreciate the reply, interested in what do you think now, since the debt buy back? .. I'm buying, spec long averaging down here; and hate to say it; based primarily on this is now a money maker for what Wallstreet just does and loves to do, forcing 90% to the other side of the swimming pool (so subjective at this point and I hate trading that way). BK's a flip 50/50 so when it comes down to it, for the insiders it's just to juicy a way to make a ton, they've effectively killed retail. Many examples of this type of thing occurring on the Street.