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Re: la_trader post# 45854

Wednesday, 04/11/2018 8:39:30 PM

Wednesday, April 11, 2018 8:39:30 PM

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Your answer is here. Just need to understand what drives minds. And which mind to look at. Large volume days can be a melody of music. Where several entities group to play. Doesn't have to be large price move days. Volume tells who is doing what and who to watch for sentiment.

Did I post to you about 10% of the 30 average daily volume could move a OTC stocks direction?

CLKA bad finish may have been partly you and what I think was an insider. Him 54 mil @ 11AM and you first @10:30 for 20 mil. With a 30 day ADV of 47mil. Basically I'm saying you guys manipulated the stock today. You pulled it down to the 6is and frightened many bored holders. IMO not a good play. Because if CLKA isn't a real funding play, your driving interest in the wrong direction.

So here's what might happen; The bored holders, that don't know the game, may start moving out so much, that if it doesn't run, you will not have enough shares in the CLKA market (liquidity) to dump your large holdings out. By pulling a stocks price down to benefit your beliefs of run or desire to average down, your limiting your ability to preserve capital if needed.

Not saying don't add lower, but don't go big! One who trades the OTC to win should lead the herd. Not drive them to the point they spook.

Also keep in mind M&Ms make money from volume. They will chase it when seen. Large block trades often determine direction. So unless one has enough cash to drive the price up enough to create an emotion run. Don't spook the herd in a down direction!

Pros which manipulate price have large amounts of cash available to buy ask stacks at opportune timing and get price climbing. Then once the herd is stampeding up the hill. They start selling what they accumulated, to feed the herds emotion.

This is when some M&Ms may jump in to help the run along. Volume is their cash cow. They often naked short, short term runs to help a manipulator. Because it means more income for the days trading volume and feeding is what drives emotion.

So here we are; the manipulator has a win, the M&Ms also, but they need to settle this naked short position within 3 days.

All of a sudden you notice an new AX shows up. The AX is the main M&M handling the most of the trade volume for the day. When you see an AX different from the norm, odds are they naked shorted yesterdays run the most. There are always an AX & a hammer during large volume days. You'll often see them dancing to the bid or ask stack, as they team work direction hoping to cut some of the naked short positions on walk downs during the day. But eventually at EOD they do have a naked short position that can't be cleared.

Unless there was a large volume day,, the day before I see no reason that 1 M&M should have a need to drive price down to cover. After looking at RNVA's volumes, I would have expected to see naked short covering yesterday, not today. Because M&Ms don't become naked short selling on a down day. For that matter the volumes the past several days doesn't seem to show the above mentioned game was played at all. IMO 50/75 mil during the move. Is pretty much a null.

So the answer to your question;

who would be able to short on a large scale in an equity and have it be equitable, and, what are their typical plays?



The only shorting on the OTC is naked shorting. And that only occurs in a large volume day run. So unless some entity was buying up the ask stack several times during the day. The market makers have no reason to put themselves in the danger of the SEC pouncing on them for naked shorting. IMO for naked shorting there needs to been several players making the music. Else the chances to actually get help covering is low. You need a manipulator to empower an M&M and you need a handle M&M to back them up. so the next day when the manipulator is gone. The AX & handle can walk down the bid stack to cover. IMO one M&M just doesn't take the risk now days.

for example, with RNVA today, we saw MM ASCM very active, and the sentiment was they represent a ton of open short interest - and were attempting to cover.


STOP reading message boards !!!
Evaluate the Bid/Ask stacks. Look for block orders, and don't get dragged into the herds, sentiment bull. Individuals succeed, herds get slaughtered.

Direction drives sentiment one needs to understand who controls direction and why. Is it a manipulator and/or Market maker, their the only ones large enough the control direction. They are the only ones that count. IMO The phycology of how the herd sentiment changes is only noise. On the OTC the herds phycology is to chase the carrot and stampede when grazing is disturbed.



Ps; Lower my standing sell @ .025 to .023 today and it closed in several trenches. Sell after the first red day of a run !!

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