Voip Pal Com Inc (VPLM)

[pickered]

if a company offered a voip service that it would have to incl one or more of the patents. Otherwise, my understanding is that a company would be able to offer voip services w/o using the vplm technology and vplm has said no....if they offer voip, then they are infringing and there is no way around it. I believe that was clearly covered on the last or one of the so called "conference calls".

I can't speak to what your referring to. I wouldn't use those words to describe it, so here is my assessment based on what I know.

If a VOIP provider wants to do connect to other resources on external networks, then they may be infringing on at least one of the patents. That doesn't mean someone can't use VOIP internally somehow without without infringing, but once they build a service which traverses and intelligently routes VOIP calls between networks, they start to infringe. See FaceTime, iMessage, etc...

What I have said is there is no proof of value.

Surely, some value is implied based on so many infringers already infringing the VALID patent. Since you can't connect the patent claims to the functions of an iPhone (for instance), you seem willing to throw emotional shade at the patents, which were just upheld.

We've been here before. I've already failed to convince you; you have my opinion. Do with it what you will.

Peace.