hi bobjack Thanks for this up date. i am going to work on this method you are presenting. When i get it going , i hope to be able to share with you and spdpro any things i see about working the chart or charts. The 4 hour maybe great. Have had to be very selective on lower time frames 233t n 400t due to lacking Volatility and etc. Still doing able but slim pickings , also depending the hours one wants to sit. i have a daily and 4 hour chart with my own lines . But do like JP TOS pivots daily 3 day and etc. Depending on the chart. XIV mostly but i do look at NUGT and DUST as well . Happy Sunday CH