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Re: FreeMarkets post# 32826

Thursday, 07/20/2006 4:32:06 PM

Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:32:06 PM

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OT: Freemarkets - god

I do follow the argument. It is not complicated at all. And it is spurious as far as existence of god is concerned. Unless god is an elf or spaghetti monster. And no offence meant to anyone of any believe. It just that that argument is completely spurious.


One of my objections to the argument is that it clearly assumes what it sets out to "prove".

Whoever mentioned this originally said stated that the argument blew the mind of atheists that person told this argument. If it did so, those people must have not had a very good background in philosophy and logic.

The basic thing we SHOULD accept is that religion is a question of blind faith. There is no way to rationally to argue about it. There have been periods in human history where bogus arguments were accepted as such because of two factors: the overwhelming power of the church and appeal of rationalism. The dogmatic approach to rationalism made it irrational: they were trying to square the circle and explain faith rationally.

I do not believe in god or after life or bigger meaning of things. Maybe the burden of self-awareness is to ponder with these questions. Just because we feel that there needs to be a more rational and just world does not make it so.

Morality does not need a god or an institution to tell us what is right and wrong. As I wrote before, all religions have amongst them some saintly (not saints) people and some fanatic fundamentalists. And only real "teachings" that have survived the test of my life is:

Be true to yourself and try not to hurt other people unnecessarily.

And even that is quite a big task: how do you take guidance on the two big ideas "true to yourself" and "hurt unnecessarily". What I really, really fail to understand about the world religions that they seek power and dominance instead of trying to use the common ground that they all share to better the world.

I think it is complete utter disgrace to the humanity that we go back to debate issues such as torture. Or the fact that millions of children die because they have no access to clean water or even the medication that was available to the privileged since the beginning of the last century.

(rhetorical question warning) Does it matter if you neighbour believes in a "wrong" god more than whether that person is caring, responsible and humanist individual?

Remember Christ did say that the one of you who is sinless cast the first stone. Why is it that all major world religions are dominated by institutions that tend to try to dictate and add rules which mainly support and grab more power the the religious establishment instead of emphasing tolerance, acts of charity and humanity?




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