olddog You are right no one can convince me of that but instead of a monetary amount they couldn't tell us because in my opinion they nor even IDCC doesn't know the full amount till after Huawei is finalized on that amount. I fully believe once the Huawei amount is finalized then a LG 3G amount for back and ongoing will be established. Now you made a comment they have being talking about a license on going. You are dead wrong as in 5 years and you can't come to a agreement then you better go straight to court as you will never get a agreement. Please explain why Merritt chose the words he chose to tell us about the LG arbitration. His choice of words would put IDCC at risk for legal action as it was clear the arbitration was over. I assure you people invested money based on his comments. JMO Mickey