Why do you feel they are condemned to issue 3 times as many shares? Could beginning to have real revenue at year's end or next year compensate for the dilution? Surely, there has to be some conceivable set of circumstances under which things could begin to get better? Otherwise, why is anyone wasting their time investing in a turnaround, or even trying to trade it, or wasting time sharing ideas on this board? I'm counting on a turnaround. The best minds on this board -- specifically yourself -- might put some pressure on the CEO and board to be more transparent about what they intend to do to help shareholders. personally, I imagine that I see signs they are trying to clean things up and rise above the past. Perhaps I'm wrong, but it is my great hope.