The Commander had a suggestion for punishment which may accomplish the twin goals of punishment and deterrent. Conscript them into the armed forces for a few years, but with a special twist: keep them in the "boot camp" phase for the whole time. Maybe the drill sergeants can teach them values where our society has so obviously failed. Thank-you for your suggestion. It's summer, the water will be warm, and the sharks hungry. A win, win, win. Cheers, PW.