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Re: shajandr post# 345406

Wednesday, 07/08/2015 12:00:42 PM

Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:00:42 PM

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Worthless or Abandoned Stock _DEFINITIVELY!!!!

Yes, you need new tax advisors. I am a tax expert - by formal education and 35 years experience.

Worthless Stock: Agreeably there was ONE IRS finding that a stock with any value at all is not worthless. That was in a case where the owner (a corporation) had a large amount of stock that even in if marginally worth anything they would actually have a valuable asset. The most reasonable and certain determination of the IRS position is that if it costs more to sell than it is worth, it is worthless. And of course, the obvious way to make any investment a loss is to sell it....say to a relative for 1 cent. (That type of transfer is allowed, regardless of the "lockdown" which covers public trades). Duh! Get a better advisor!

However, holders of this stock (or any capital asset) do not need to prove worthlessness anyway. They may declare it "abandoned" . At that point you report it as the loss it is. NOT a bad debt (which many try because it would be offset against the higher taxed ordinary income rather than offset/3K yr restricted capital gains).

DIRECTLY FROM IRS SITE: If you own securities, including stocks, and they become totally worthless, you have a capital loss but not a deduction for bad debt. Treat a stock or other security as totally worthless when it has no value and you must abandon it. To abandon a security, you must permanently surrender and relinquish all rights in the security and receive no consideration in exchange for it.
Treat worthless securities as though they were capital assets sold or exchanged on the last day of the tax year.
Report worthless securities on Form 8949 (.pdf), Part I or Part II, whichever applies. Indicate as a worthless security deduction by writing Worthless in the applicable column of Form 8949.

NOW THE BAD NEWS: Te IRS REQUIRES that a worthless security is reported as such on the last day of the year it became worthless. (That to avoid someone trying to get the better short term loss handling by holding on till a future year). This stock clearly - by any interpretation - became worthless when the Federal Court advised that there was no chance of any recovery to shareholders. Therefore, by rule you really should have done so years back and must file an amended tax return for that year. (And presumably any that you may have to carry the loss forward to). You may file back as far as 7 years.

Of course, if somehow the investment does eventually have any value refunded to you, you report it as a gain in the year received....and everything is even.
And as they say - Thats the facts Jack.

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