A few questions: 1) why is ecig on the otc with these useless companies w no revenue and millions in toxic debt? 2) what is the shareholder equity in ecig? Is it hugely positive or hugely negative? Hint the answer is here on p. 2 http://www.otcmarkets.com/edgar/GetFilingHtml?FilingID=10712444 3) you realize that 41 million loan you keep referring to is secured right? Ie if ecig decalres bankruptcy, those lenders now own the company