Here's the deal the way I see it.. They are screwed...and screwed big time because of a share price they cannot rally...and it will never have a sustained rally.. They cannot pay their bills with the cash they generate and that will be in the filings.. If the credit Lin is ever approved its been 60/ days now still nothing, they can't access it for much as the share price is too low.. They have come out with some bullshit PRS to rally it and it ain't working. The bullshit about the AS reduction should have spelled it out in spades for all... Like I said Trautman thinks the public is stupid especially OTC buyers...I have to agree with him on the later... Just read the discussions... Roflamao