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Re: Pythia post# 24194

Friday, 12/05/2014 6:51:17 PM

Friday, December 05, 2014 6:51:17 PM

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Nope, utterly and totally wrong. Cyclone's sky is not falling again. The word again implies that it stopped falling and gained altitude at some point. This thing has been on a steady downwards glide path since day one.

I notice that the use of "fine minds" was supposed to be a persuader and when that is highly refuted the message switches to a dismissive tone. Logic and fact aren't part of any Cyclone supporters act simply because they have nothing to draw on.

Buddy makes a number of great points, the "ingenious inventor" is more than adequate to sinking any mechanical engineering project. I remember seeing that post he pasted way back when on the SACA board and at the time I just groaned and clicked off because there was no way to comment without accusing the inventor of being semi-literate (why would a guy seeking investors not take the effort to use 'spell check', it would reduce at least some of the scorn) as well as ignorant of materials sciences and basic machine design. You know, ignorant of the kinds of things that would be necessary to build a real engine and write patents that had any conceivable value?

Water is a conductor! Where did he learn that? It's contaminants that are conductive not the water itself. (Note the correct use and spelling of 'contaminants') Systems requiring pure water detect contamination by using conductivity cells, if current passes then the water is contaminated.

Water is a better lubricant than oil! Every machine builder on earth has it wrong and the world spends billions on oil when they could just get tap water. A two minute Google check of the relative cohesion and adhesion of oil and water would prove quite the opposite. Since tribology (look it up) is central to mechanical design, we can assume that such a monumental incomprehension is tantamount to failure.

Bearings act as a generator? Where is the magnetic field that is going to be needed to pull that stunt? Did he mean electrolytic decomposition? That has everything to do with interaction between differing materials and not the existence of a bearing itself.

This current causes galling? (Or did he mean that the bearings are taking up residence in Gaul?) Galling is caused by metal to metal contact arising because the lubricant is not sufficiently cohesive to prevent the surfaces from coming into contact with one another. It invariably shows that either there was insufficient lubricant, too much pressure between the wearing parts or that the turning speed was too low in order to create a hydrodynamic suspension between the parts (Laungmuir's Theory of Lubrication).

Hardened steel is susceptible to galling? Actually, anyone who has worked with harder and softer materials will know that harder materials are less likely to gall under exactly the same conditions. Go figure, it is easier for a soft material that has bonded to something to be torn free than a harder one. Try pushing a drill too rapidly into both a block of steel and a block of aluminum.

Oil breaks down! Nope, as Buddy said, turbine machinery may go decades on the same oil. Been there, seen that, got the tee shirt. They usually employ either centrifugal separation or settling to remove contaminants that have leaked into the system (such as water from the steam system).

OK, let's settle back and think about all this. None of the above is of any great mystery and much of it is part of many a high school curriculum. It can all be found in no time on Google. Yet tens of millions of dollars and years were spent doing "development" on an engine designed with these principles. Apparently if you believe something you should just go with it and seek investors rather than doing a few minutes research to find out if you are right. Sky is falling? Duck!

Add in valve systems that require accelerations producing gee forces beyond what metals can tolerate, a "spider bearing" that induces shear stresses into the connecting rod as well as a rotating discontinuity in the shaking force, parallel flow steam generators with a single point of control while running at the ragged edge of DNB (Departure from Negative Boiling ... this results in another technical term called "tube burn out )and the whole thing is pretty bad.

Buddy is also right about the runoff. Wayyyyy back in 1948 Cadillac tested their new V-8 engines for 100 hours straight (other than adding oil because seals then were not made of the elastomers we have today) at full throttle...which was the equivalent of the cars running 108 mph. That was extremely fast for the late 40s. The engines were not being run to destruction, they were pulled apart for testing and it was found that internal wear was minimal. Yet the Cyclone WHE hasn't made a 200 hour test at pressures and temperatures far less demanding than the Caddy; despite a 65 year advantage in enabling technologies.

This whole venture is so far beyond recovery that seeking further funding is indefensible. I can't pin point a single factor in their product design or business model that isn't wishful thinking at best and flat out fantasy at worst.

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