Thats the only thing I was asking. Probably, most likely, could be, are still speculation. The fact that most brokers don't allow it and the one's that do require 2.00 to 2.50 PER SHARE in a margin account, yes, make it very cost prohibitive. My point was that there are entities or groups that DO short these stocks and could be an alternative to a note converter YO! I'll never understand as much as most do. That's why I still need a day job.