Could the PM delay have been been a hint that the DB was somehow fubar'd? And, what kind of ISP doesn't keep a switch monkey on site, holiday weekend or not?! Let's see... last time SI was down overnight we woke up in Kansas. Maybe this time we'll wake up on the Nebuchadnezzar. Anyway, sorry to see your holiday weekend get screwed up. I imagine there's a fair bit of steam coming from your ears. (SI)grubmaster