MrHolty, Reminder, there are: Surplus Notes Twin Reefs (Pref Bs)-- think Syncora owns 655 shares of Pref Bs Pref As Top two can't be quoted except over-the-counter-bank-loans-pricing Last time we heard it was Surplus Notes 84c Twin Reefs (Pref Bs)53c Pref As now 40.5c Commons trade at say ~14-15c of ABV ... and ~77c of common regular book value (Dec 2013) Excludes any future settlements (Lehman, Greenpoint, MacQuarie), or ability to write new biz credit rating, etc.