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ssami
You think Intel has 99.99% yield?
I have no contact with Intel's process development anymore so I can only speculate, but I think it's important to remember that when something new comes out in process technology, Intel does it first. The delay for Intel in getting 10nm into volume production is unprecedented. Something is seriously wrong. If lithography were the problem then everyone would be having the same problem. I suspect Intel is doing something exotic that no one else is trying yet and that is the reason for this extended delay. When Intel has the recipe down they will have something no one else has. Just a guess but an educated one...
Is there anyone left who is seriously pursuing an ARM based server chip?
How many of us remember the many claims that ARM would replace x86 in the Server market. It was only a matter of time...
Flumoxed
I had nothing to do with your post being deleted. It was deleted by an IH administrator. I have read your post and I see nothing wrong with it and I have no idea why it was deleted. Please understand. I have never deleted any of your posts. Here it is in it's entirety:
If I was permitted more than one post per day then I would explain it to you. Basically Intel scales all components by volume, while "others" only scale one (maybe 2) dimensions. So Intel is doing the honest scaling, and they will end up ahead of the competition in doing so. But there are scads and scads of other components going onboard Intel chips, and I agree with BK that the obsession with size (in this case tiny) is the bugaboo of small minds, such as one finds littering up this mssg board. So, I am grateful to Phud and his henchmen for restricting me to one post per day because I don't drop in here very often, and that suits me just fine.
To IH administrators. Why are you deleting posts that are on topic, and inoffensive?
according to eAssa its about 10 years late.
Ok, I exaggerated a little. Intel introduced 14nm in Q4 2014. So it's about 2 years late by my reckoning.
From the earnings release:
Intel is currently shipping low-volume 10 nm product and now expects 10 nm volume production to shift to 2019
How many years late is that? 3-4?
Intel lands Jim Keller. This is a big deal...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2018/04/26/intel-grabs-former-amd-chip-architect-jim-keller-from-tesla-to-lead-silicon-engineering-team/#777b20fe1082
The movement of a stock price in the past contains no information, whatsoever, about its movement in the future
No information whatsoever? I disagree. There is some information. How useful it is is up for debate.
xetex
Politics has a place here when it's related to Intel & the industry but not personal political views. The site moderators will get involved. It's not my rule.
Please don't bring your personal politics into the discussion.
What dya think about that, Phud?
I think it's wonderful flem, but I'm capable of thinking...
flem
You never have a point
Then I will explain it to you. Intel used to crank out new process generations like clock work. Slips were measured in months at most. Now 10nm is years late. Not months, years. Something is very wrong. I call that sad in comparison to Intel's past prowess. I thought that was obvious. Guess not.
flem
Only an idiot would say "very sad"
Only an idiot could miss the point. What does that make you?
Very sad...
Any mention of 10nm in the CC?
I Have 20 grand waiting to buy the stock. 15.50-15.65 range..
Why don't you write Puts?
Yet the Faithful still believe...
NEARLY $1 Billion in extra gross profit for 2017
Yes, I'm sure that's true but it gave AMD a chance to get a foot in the door with their new competitive products. It's not like Intel to be kind and accommodating. Did they hold off on 10nm to squeeze a few more bucks out of 14nm while enabling AMD or is 10nm just not ready? I'm guessing the latter but it's only a guess.
Unkwn
I don't see any process advantage for Intel as of today
It's hard to argue with that as of today but I can't help but think that if others can do 10nm then Intel could have done it a year or two before them. So why didn't they? I'm only guessing, but I suspect Intel is doing something new and exotic and they are having real trouble getting the recipe right. Just a guess. Nothing more.
Koog
Koduri will expand Intel’s leading position in integrated graphics for the PC market with high-end discrete graphics solutions for a broad range of computing segments
Who's highend graphics? Does this mean Intel will be doing their own designs or more partnering?
fpg
You're right about one thing. Some things never change. You still can't see the big picture.
Andy
From Semiaccurate:
Ironically the CPU to GPU connection isn’t an EMIB based trace, it is just PCIe pulled off the die and routed through the normal substrate
Anything else would require a major overhaul to one or the other and I would imagine licensing of IP. In a way I'm with Charlie. I don't see the point.
Note to Administrators. I think you're getting a little carried away here.
Andy
I'm not following you here. The Intel CPU and the AMD GPU have totally different electricals and protocols, just like they would on a MB. They need to talk to each other. Is it over PCIe? Why do they need another exotic fabric to accomplish that? Especially when that fabric is only there to tie together chips on an MCM because AMD can't rely on foundry yields to allow a fully integrated die.
I agree. We don't.
Andy
the copy of AMD's infinity fabric
I am not as star struck by AMD's kludge as AMD's fans are. It's just their way of patching together chips on a MCM when their yields won't allow a single integrated die.
Unkwn
Integrating the GPU should never be close to the performance of a discrete solution
It's not integrated. It is a discrete solution in the form of a multi-chip module. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. The two chips do not share the same interface architecture and it would take a major architectural overhaul to fix that, or a third chip to sort it all out. Makes no sense to me.
flum
Just so you know, I have never restricted your posting here. Board moderators do not have that power. Only system administrators can restrict someone's posting.
Bleeder
You really have no idea do you.
I'm out of this board
I'm in tears...
Otellini
Dumbest post in years...
RGood
Why don't you just ignore him?
Sad to hear.
GB
It seems that Intel still doesn't get a trial. They get a review of the implications of the EUC's findings, but not a right to contest the findings themselves. I guess that's better than nothing but I would have liked to see Intel clear it's good name.
Herb
"Europe’s top court will rule on Wednesday whether U.S. chipmaker Intel offered illegal rebates to squeeze out rivals in a judgment that could affect EU antitrust regulators’ cases against Qualcomm and Alphabet’s Google"
I think the real issue here is whether or not a company is entitled to a trial when they are accused of violating the law. That's the problem here. Intel was never able to defend itself against the allegations before an impartial judge.
Chipguy
I wonder why it took so many years for Ellison to do the inevitable. This was obvious many years ago.
.....more competition for Intel........competition is a good thing
Yes it is a good thing but in the end AMD will have to make money. Something it has never been able to do, Net, over it's corporate lifetime.
Does a single person here besides me even believe in Intel?
I'm absolutely certain it exists. I've seen it with my own two eyes...
flem
I fail to see why you had to butt into this and then restrict me to one post per day. Haha. Such a need for absolute control.
You are mistaken. I have not restricted you in any way. I do not have the power. Furthermore, I have not deleted any of your posts. Those actions were taken by the administrators, not by me. I did not agree with their actions but they're the ultimate authority here and they outrank me. Take your complaints up with them.
flem
You seem to think you are owed an answer. Where did you get that idea?