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Trade2, Everybody has to have something to do in life,
why some are still here
why I very seldom reply to many of them,
it's what they want and helps to keep them going
also you'll find that some of them actually do provide some good DD,
a couple are funny as heck, so sometimes like to chuckle along with them
it's just the way it is,
the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
MC
Flip, don't go awayi'vevbeen outing up with it for years
Don't back down, just pick and choose who you respond to
Mc
And if they have to discount to sell in Bulk, which is a good thing, even less
Sounds good except you may want to check the bottle pricing,
Pretty good wines at Costco or major market chains from 7,99 to $9.99
If the average $10 a bottle would be Hugh I wold think
Jopnion1
Spitting in he wind is a whole lot better
then pissing in it, just in case it blows back in
your face,
and even worst is watching a girl do it...
messy, like this has been,
hope they have learned and turn it around
and go with the wind.
MC
Filp... Scam or Something Great,
Boy you hear that opinion enough.
Here's the thing in my thinking,
a) It's set-up like a ATM machine, so just keep it
going and collect whenever you want to pull that atm card.
Total Scam and hope to stay out of Prision.
b) It's Legit, we're all going o make money
c) If we're all going to make money the part A has to be fixed
especially as far as share structure and Preferred, Etc.
d) If we truly have new management, they know A is a Problem and
would not go into it unless they knew how, or, had a plan to
resolve it. To get to where they are with the assets they
claim, they would not take this on and throw it into it unless
they knew what they were going to do with it and how to fix
it, plain and simple.
So we can stay on the boards, which is healthy actually, post back and forth, which sometimes is a lot of fun, but in the final analysis, Pick A or B through D,cross your fingers and use you brain.
truly, it is that simple.
MC
Jm.. If you're going to listen to the past
Ask how many times they posted good sales in the Fin's
Never
Ask if they ever stayed current status other than a quick
Promote and gone
Never
Ask how many additional companies
They attracted and rolled in other than the
Initial one
Never
This does have a different look and feel altogether
Mc
So I guess it comes down to...
Is this still the same old crew and a scam like a lot
of the old timers are saying it is, or was... or,
is this a new crew, new products and real numbers,
I'm summarizing, if you get that info
then one would have the answers,
great or sucks, one of the two
MC
If what happened the way you said it happened,
then I would say that you did the right thing.
But about Peter, why would he still be there?
and if he is how would you know?
I thought he diluted, took the money and run.
If not do you have facts or just a gut check?
MC
Gold, Lie is a pretty strong word,
OK then you tell me how you departed,
I just went by what I had heard,
So here's your chance...
What happened if they didn't let you go?
MC
I'll be darned,
I got PeterPanned by him?
I don't think that is it,
some of the old timers feel they got taken
in the past and want to make sure those guys never
make money or do it again,
the one you're talking about use to work for the
company and was let go, so why he's always so
un-cheerful, MC
JM, Yes, not what I was asking,
just thought you were kinda turned off on the stocks
a few weeks back?
Maybe it was someone else I was thinking of
MC
Let's wait and see how it pans out 7/31 for Peter..
Or should we call it PeterPan,
Sorry, couldn't help myself
MC
JM, I hope you're right and if looks like it's going that way
you will get my support,
But, question,
How did your attitude tword the stock change so much.
wern't you somewhat negative recently or am I mixing you
up with someone else?
MC
That's a lot of shares
Launch, One last thing, I hope that when Mr K took over that some of the share sales were him selling company shares, with what he was trying to build I would like to see the money go into what he built which helps us verus all the sells going to Peter who failed and cashed out shares.... as the story go's.
I'm just old fashion I guess, if you accomplish something you should be compensated, but if you fail Why?
I guess when there was nobody else, Peter did keep us going
but just very disappointed what he kept pushing never happened, and I look at that as failure, 2b shares is alot for failure
MC
Launch3, Could very well be it, sure hope so
because then we would have a great shot,
a diluted one, but still a great one.
MC
Ufc, I really don't dislike anybody,
just saying they were Birds that flocked together
and as what you are saying, I have little or no disagreement
based on what they left us with
hope for better days with good people who I actually don't
know, but based on filings, have renewed faith (of sorts).
Hard to totally believe again, the 0001"s have me guarded
based on the past.
But I do see a great potential if things are what they are
saying, otherwise just another group of birds
who I hope don't flock us againg.
MC
JmhGolf, OK, then trying to figure it out
if we had 750m shares for what 8-10 years
then it went to 4.4B shares
and as you're saying with 4.4b shares out there a few
hundred million is not that much in trading,
how does shareholders get the 4.4 billion from the 750m
if the company does not sell them out to them?
and the big selling days did not start until after
the increase to 4.4b
So maybe it's me and I'm not saying it's not,
but how did the 4.4 million of shares get into peoples hands if
the company did not sell them?
I just figured they whosaled them out and a 3rd party sold
them, but that's just my guessing. I remmeber sometime back they said they had a line of credit in NY, I guessed that maybe they were the 3rd party.
Don't Know though
MC
Launch3, I'm on your side buddy,
and maybe there is no proof,
but correct me if I'm wrong..
when new mgt took over (how long has it been? almost a year?) we had several great News Releases and during that time (especially a few months back)there was a period of 2-3 months of trading in very high millions of shares traded at 0001 which must have
counted up to a few hundred million shares? Correct? That's a lot of shares, who has that many?
So if the company was not selling those shares, where did they come from?
And why would Mr. K throw his company into DKGR if not to raise money? Did he just say here take it, I don't need anything in return?
I would think so he could sell some shares and expand the business, which it looks like it worked?
am I missing something?
Just my logic.
MC
UFC, again, I know for what ever reason you like / Liked Jackson,
But he went on that Internet Interview and said he was producing Oil, at one or more wells or fields, was a truth? I don't think so, so I would forever discount anything he says, it's that simple. If I believed him B4 and it was not true, how dumb would I be to believe him again?
Also Birds of a feather and all that is the way I sum up what happened there.
As far as dumping, heck I don't know who sold what, but I would make a 90% bet that Peter and Mr. K sold some (or alot)
Peter, I would say he deserved it had he not failed on the projects, or even gone to the projects first hand to make things work.
Mr. K, if he used some share selling to build his company, so be it, why do you think people go public? To raise captial to build the company and make it worth more, and his sales numbers have gone up and up and up, so I dont's have any hard feelings about that, if that's what happened, except, give it a rest once in awhile, you can let it go up first, heck at 001 he could have sold 1/10th the shares and gotten the same amount and all of us would be feeling a lot better about our investment and the ability to tell other about it...
and turning it over to someone else as CEO, don't know what's behind that either, but I got the impression from the first that he might be the guy to build the foundation get the numbers going and restore us to current, and that's about it...and he has,great for him, great for us...
now we need to take it to another level and I don't mean the 0001's, I mean the whole company, with new products, PR's, Professional people, people who are connected, etc. etc.
And I'm hoping that's where we're going and what they've done,
Come out of the Closet Guys....
the numbers of shares out there are a mess, someting will have to be done about that sometime, and yes, I'm unhappy about all the 0001's that I believe were dumped in the past, just hope if it's past management it's run out and Mr. K's fouindation is strong and growing.
Oh and the question is it a scam, well if it is, they really have gone overboard and there's only so much that you can get away with before it's proved to be fraud and that carries a lot of penalties and jail time, so doubt it is, but again, don't know and if it is, go get em.
MC
MC
Yes, I think a ton of it's been dumped, how much by Peter, how much by Mr. K to maybe build
His business, don't know but a lot in my opinion
I think that's why it won't go up, you think it's ready, you buy at 0002 just to see more 0001's dumped and you and th n you back off, I bought at 0002 some time back thinking it was ready just to see a Zillion more 0001's come out
Not to say they're not building something or that they are not trying
To increase value or that the dumping is on hold, that's still
To be determined as far as I can tell
I like it a lot of what I'm seeing,doubt it's a scam, but sure don't know for sure, it looks better than it ever before has in my opinion but I just don't know for sure
They have so much going on now,
we almost need a Box Score to keep track,
Right now the Apparal seems to be the most
solid and I see the Sticky where he has stepped down as CEO
and stays on as a Director, so no longer just a one man band?
Or if Scam, then it's one on Steriods
MC
II had already read one of the two, sounds like a lot more on the come stuff, except for the Apparal , if they're doing what they say they are, we have one in the bag, just need to quit dumping 0001.s and giving away conversions
UFC,
Don't know, I guess if we ever have a PR Dept / Person,
we can ask?
MC
Chill...
Missed you buddy. Been too
Long,
Funny we just turned on a
Movie and it's in Chicago,'just said how
Much I like it there
I owe you dinner and we got to do it
see you again hopefully soon
I didn't know that we were building RV's?
Wow, again
LOL
V, Yes, 3 day wknd was restful,
No not funding anything anymore,
need someone to refund to me somewhere, sometime.,
Hope you had a good one too,
You seem to be on a roll.
MC
JO1 Happy 4th to you too,
and most people here
The company has been in the shadows for a few years too,
especially now,
but I guess that's a lot better than being out front
projecting things that are never going to happen,
getting people excited
then diluting and heading for the hills...
If only real assets, real people, real projects and honesty
not only would we make a bundle, they would too and that seems
so simple to me.
MC
Based on what may be going on,
I think we need some Clarification, of course, we've needed
that for a few years now.
If these guy's are part of us, may not be the asswer,
or maybe it is, after all we have no PR People,
so if we could get that they and if they could get rid of all those 0001's and conversion BS...
with the numbers and the game plan, Maybe?
MC
UFC... WOW, what does that stand for anyway?
Wonder Of Wonders?
Wounded or Wasted ???
See if you come up with a better one
MC
If you think about it, it does keep somewhat in tune with the past, giving money to other companies, hopefully we get a return
finally and $5m on books if real would be a plus,
it's just all those 0001's, I know get over it,
but I can't and I guess they can't either, cause they just keep
coming and coming.
MC
OK, Just saw it,
But are you saying they will be the CEO Here?
We need marketing, bad, bad, bad
I hope they did not write this PR Release that I just read,
is there are prior track record of their marketing efforts?
They make them sound real big in the end with all their holdings, but if it all adds up to only $5m? Not so big, but would look good on our books,
No Volume?
Guess people are still afraid of all the 0001's,
when that stop and they get rif of some of the BS Stock
they created we could see something and if not????
No, didn't know we had one,
saw the 0 volume and we had a PR,
Wow
JMHGOLF, sorry, guess I have not been paying as much attention lately, but this other company that you have the links on which is about a month old,
what does it have to do with us?
And are you saying the Lou guy has a arrest record?
MC
V, very sarcastic don't even know what our Peyer looks like
Much less inviting him and who's Greg?
If it happens will be fun and you're invited
Mc
Vegas, lol and yes that excuse is wearing thin with her
But4 of you guys at once?
Did you guys just get out of a team meeting?
Always ( mostly) good to
Hear from you
They called up the reserves?
Sorry 1 acre