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Haha. Only think that abut you sometimes, not for that. Only yesterday, four guys were sitting at a table in the General Gordon pub in Sydenham (lies beside Tempe) and one said, "Think about it. We have the most powerful country in the world, the country which ever since it's inception has been seen and admired as the leading advocate for democracy worldwide and the highest court in that country is corrupt." The other three nodded in agreement. It's almost unbelievable, but Trump and McConnell created it. And so many other corrupt congresspeople went along with it.
Breathing is that bad, 'specially in places in that song, it's hard. That means working
with the song in karaoke fashion has to be a good exercise. Simple logic, eh what. lol
More corrupt than insane, i'd say. If believing the president was above the law was a measure of insanity then i'd agree Alito is insane, but since it isn't am gonna just settle for Alito is corrupt as they come. Whatever, Alito and Thomas, for two, are two Americans America should not be at all proud of. Neither deserve the position they hold. Alito's position on presidential immunity has to be an unconstitutional one. Thomas we know is corrupt. Kirshner is an American America should be proud of.
Unfortunately only time will tell whether Barrett, Gorsuch or Kavanaugh
.. https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/justices.aspx ..
have more loyalty to the constitution, or to Donald Trump.
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Att: sideeki ‘A lot would have to go wrong for Biden to lose’: can Allan Lichtman predict the 2024 election?
"Always good to read of more young voters arriving than older voters leaving. And for sure no right-minded person (lol
feels a misnomer there, but politics aside) could possibly deny the moral decay of the GOP is not glaringly obvious."
David Smith in Washington
The professor on his famous 13 ‘keys’ to the White House, a method for predicting election results that’s been right nine times out of 10
David Smith
Fri 26 Apr 2024 22.00 AEST
Last modified on Sat 27 Apr 2024 04.57 AEST
Allan Lichtman is likely to make his pronouncement on the 2024 presidential election in early August. Composite: Getty Images
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He has been called the Nostradamus of US presidential elections. Allan Lichtman has correctly predicted the result of nine of the past 10 (and even the one that got away, in 2000, he insists was stolen from Al Gore). But now he is gearing up for perhaps his greatest challenge: Joe Biden v Donald Trump II.
Lichtman is a man of parts. The history professor has been teaching at American University in Washington for half a century. He is a former North American 3,000m steeplechase champion and, at 77 – the same age as Trump – aiming to compete in the next Senior Olympics. In 1981 he appeared on the TV quizshow Tic-Tac-Dough and won $110,000 in cash and prizes.
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That same year he developed his now famous 13 keys to the White House, a method for predicting presidential election results that every four years tantalises the media, intrigues political operatives and provokes sniping from pollsters. Long before talk of the Steele dossier or Mueller investigation, it all began with a Russian reaching out across the cold war divide.
“I’d love to tell you I developed my system by ruining my eyes in the archives, by deep contemplation, but if I were to say that, to quote the late great Richard Nixon, that would be wrong,” Lichtman recalls from a book-crowded office on the AU campus. “Like so many discoveries, it was kind of serendipitous.”
Allan Lichtman in his office in Washington DC in 2012. Photograph: Paul J Richards/AFP/Getty Images
Lichtman was a visiting scholar at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena when he met the world’s leading authority in earthquake prediction, Vladimir Keilis-Borok .. https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/obituary-vladimir-keilis-borok-249045 , who had been part of a Soviet delegation that negotiated the limited nuclear test ban treaty with President John F Kennedy in Washington in 1963.
Keilis-Borok had fallen in love with American politics and began a collaboration with Lichtman to reconceptualise elections in earthquake terms. That is, as a question of stability (the party holding the White House keeps it) versus earthquake (the party holding the White House gets thrown out).
They looked at every presidential election since Abraham Lincoln’s victory in 1860 .. https://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war/election-of-1860 , combining Keilis-Borok’s method recognising patterns associated with stability and earthquakes with Lichtman’s theory that elections are basically votes up or down on the strength and performance of the party that holds the White House.
They came up with 13 true/false questions and a decision rule: if six or more keys went against the White House party, it would lose. If fewer than six went against it, it would win. These are the 13 keys, as summarised by AU’s website .. https://www.american.edu/cas/news/13-keys-to-the-white-house.cfm :
1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the US House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections.
2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination.
3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.
4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign.
5. Short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign.
6. Long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms.
7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy.
8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term.
9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal.
10. Foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs.
11. Foreign/military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.
12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero.
13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero.
Lichtman and Keilis-Borok published a paper in an academic journal, which was spotted by an Associated Press science reporter, leading to a Washington Post article headlined: “Odd couple discovers keys to the White House.” Then, in the Washingtonian magazine in April 1982, Lichtman used the keys to accurately predict that, despite economic recession, low approval ratings and relative old age, Ronald Reagan would win re-election two years later.
That led to an invitation to the White House from the presidential aide Lee Atwater .. https://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/30/obituaries/lee-atwater-master-of-tactics-for-bush-and-gop-dies-at-40.html , where Lichtman met numerous officials including then vice-president George HW Bush. Atwater asked him what would happen if Reagan did not run for re-election. Lichtman reckoned that a few important keys would be lost, including incumbent charisma.
“Without the Gipper, forget it,” Lichtman says. “George Bush is about as charismatic as a New Jersey shopping centre on a Sunday morning. Atwater looks me in the eye, breathes a huge sigh of relief, and says, thank you, Professor Lichtman. And the rest is history.”
For the next election, Bush was trailing his Democratic challenger Michael Dukakis by 18 percentage points in the opinion polls in May 1988, yet Lichtman correctly predicted a Bush victory because he was running on the Reagan inheritance of peace, prosperity, domestic tranquillity and breakthroughs with the Soviet Union.
George HW Bush and Michael Dukakis debate on 25 September 1988. Photograph: Bettmann Archive via Getty Images
That year Lichtman published a book, The Thirteen Keys to the Presidency. But he was still derided by the punditry establishment. “When I first developed my system and made my predictions, the professional forecasters blasted me because I had committed the ultimate sin of prediction, the sin of subjectivity.
“Some of my keys were not just cut and dried and I kept telling them, it’s not subjectivity, it’s judgment. We’re dealing with human systems and historians make judgments all the time, and they’re not random judgments. I define each key very carefully in my book and I have a record.”
He adds: “It took 15 to 20 years and the professional forecasting community totally turned around. They realised their big mathematical models didn’t work and the best models combined judgment with more cut-and-dried indicators. And suddenly the keys were the hottest thing in forecasting.”
Lichtman was a man in demand. He spoke at forecasting conferences, wrote for academic journals and even gave a talk to the CIA about how to apply the 13 keys to foreign elections. And his crystal ball kept working.
He predicted that George HW Bush would be a one-term president, even though he was riding high in polls after the Gulf war, causing many leading Democrats to pass on mounting a challenge. Then a call from Little Rock, Arkansas. It was Kay Goss .. https://www.unlv.edu/people/kay-goss , special assistant to Governor Bill Clinton.
“Are you really saying that George Bush can be beaten in 1992?” she asked. Lichtman confirmed that he was saying that. Clinton went on to win the Democratic primary election and beat Bush for the White House. “The Clintons have been big fans of the keys ever since,” Lichtman notes.
The one apparent blot on Lichtman’s copybook is the 2000 election, where he predicted victory for the Democratic vice-president Al Gore over George W Bush, the Republican governor of Texas. Gore did win the national popular vote but lost the electoral college by a gossamer-thin margin. Lichtman, however, believes he was right.
Al Gore answers a question during a town hall style debate against George W Bush in St Louis, Missouri, on 17 October 2000. Photograph: Tannen Maury/EPA
“It was a stolen election. Based on the actual votes, Al Gore should have won going away, except for the discarding of ballots cast by Black voters who were 95% for Gore. I proved this in my report to the United States Commission on Civil Rights. One out of every nine to 10 ballots cast by a Black voter was thrown out, as opposed to one out of 50 cast by a white voter.
“Most of those were not so-called hanging chads. They were over-votes because Black people were told punch in Gore and then write in Gore, just to be sure, and those ballots were all discarded. Political scientists have since looked at the election and proved I was right. Al Gore, based on the intent of the voters, should have won by tens of thousands of votes.”
He adds: “I contend I was right about 2000 or at a minimum there was no right prediction. You could argue either way. I contend – and a lot of people agree with me – that I’m 10 out of 10. But even if you say I’m nine out of 10, that’s not bad.”
Perhaps Lichtman’s most striking prophecy, defying polls, commentators and groupthink, was that Trump – a former reality TV star with no prior political or military experience – would pull off a wildly improbable win .. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-supporters-hilton-new-york .. over the former secretary of state and first lady Hillary Clinton in 2016. How did he know?
Donald Trump’s acceptance speech is broadcast in Times Square in New York on 9 November 2016. Photograph: Michael Reaves/Getty Images
“The critical sixth key was the contest key: Bernie Sanders’s contest against Clinton. It was an open seat so you lost the incumbency key. The Democrats had done poorly in 2014 so you lost that key. There was no big domestic accomplishment following the Affordable Care Act in the previous term, and no big foreign policy splashy success following the killing of Bin Laden in the first term, so there were just enough keys. It was not an easy call.”
After the election, Lichtman received a copy of the Washington Post interview .. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/23/trump-is-headed-for-a-win-says-professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-outcomes-correctly/ .. in which he made the prediction. On it was written in a Sharpie pen: “Congrats, professor. Good call. Donald J Trump.” But in the same call, Lichtman had also prophesied – again accurately – that Trump would one day be impeached.
He was right about 2020, too, as Trump struggled to handle the coronavirus pandemic. “The pandemic is what did him in. He congratulated me for predicting him but he didn’t understand the keys. The message of the keys is it’s governance not campaigning that counts and instead of dealing substantively with the pandemic, as we know, he thought he could talk his way out of it and that sank him.”
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In 2020 Lichtman gave a presentation to the American Political Science Association about the keys as one of three classic models of prediction. In recent months he has delivered keynote addresses at Asian and Brazilian financial conferences, the Oxford Union and JP Morgan. As another election looms, he is not impressed by polls that show Trump leading Biden, prompting a fatalistic mood .. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/13/trump-the-front-runner-not-so-fast-00152010 .. to take hold in Washington DC and foreign capitals.
“They’re mesmerised by the wrong things, which is the polls. First of all, polls six, seven months before an election have zero predictive value. They would have predicted President Michael Dukakis. They would have predicted President Jimmy Carter would have defeated Ronald Reagan, who won in a landslide; Carter was way ahead in some of the early polls.
“Not only are polls a snapshot but they are not predictors. They don’t predict anything and there’s no such thing as, ‘if the election were held today’. That’s a meaningless statement.”
He is likely to make his pronouncement on the 2024 presidential election in early August. He notes that Biden already has the incumbency key in his favour and, having crushed token challengers in the Democratic primary, has the contest key too. “That’s two keys off the top. That means six more keys would have to fall to predict his defeat. A lot would have to go wrong for Biden to lose.”
Joe Biden in the east room of the White House on 23 February 2024. Photograph: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
Lichtman gives no weight to running mate picks and has never changed his forecast in the wake of a so-called “October surprise” But no predictive model is entirely immune to a black swan event.
Speaking in the week that saw a jury seated for Trump’s criminal trial in New York .. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/18/trump-day-three-juror-hush-money-trial .. involving a hush-money payment to a pornographic film performer, Lichtman acknowledges: “Keys are based on history. They’re very robust because they go all the way back retrospectively to 1860 and prospectively to 1984, so they cover enormous changes in our economy, our society, our demography, our politics.
“But it’s always possible there could be a cataclysmic enough event outside the scope of the keys that could affect the election and here we do have, for the first time, not just a former president but a major party candidate sitting in a trial and who knows if he’s convicted – and there’s a good chance he will be – how that might scramble things.”
Millions of people will be on edge on the night of 5 November. After 40 years of doing this, Lichtman will have one more reason to be anxious. “It’s nerve-racking because there are a lot of people who’d love to see me fail.” And if he does? “I’m human,” he admits. “It doesn’t mean my system’s wrong. Nothing is perfect in the human world.”
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It doesn't wipe my niggle about Nov., but it's great to see the suggestion Lichtman is leaning to Biden. Gotta say though the comment on the stolen 2000 election does stress again my concerns aroung Cleta and ALEC .. from previous ..
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[...][Insert: Meet Cleta Mitchell. Trump's election fixer. Mitchell is heading a real-time Putinesque, Orbanespue,
whichever strongman election-fixer you want to use, American effort to fix American elections.
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Understood. Always figured we shared some feelings. On reading yours i googled "only electoral process us can beat biden", and got a Guardian article
which will post to the one you replied to. I was thinking the word weird after "only", but left it out. Next i'll put the weird in for a 2nd search. lol
Aha. Trying to sing it as in karaoke is a top breathing exercise for me. Am pming
it and will do it at least once a day until changing to another. Good idea. Thanks.
BOMBSHELL: Trump faces UNEXPECTED punishment
I'd say you have experience on him. He has nothing but age. There isn't supposed to be anyone here this time of night for me, morning for you. Just got home from a successful day out, richer in both mercenary dollars and good conversation. Was down, got lucky. Just finished leftover bolognaise, usual steamed vegetables and three soup spoons of lentils from a can. For dinner. And one slice wholemeal bread. No butter. 7:16, over and out. Yer da man. To bed. Favorite time. Have a good, genuine no bs, Chicago zoo day.
He's done at least golf and he's getting along fine. There are no pointers of real value you
could give him which would add to what he has gained from his personal life experience.
He has a moral code of real worth to the U.S.A.
Usually as you know before now it's porridge with fruit in it. This morning couldn't be bothered with the porridge. Haven't had any of those you mention since given them as a child. No particular reason except they never did grab me. You must put sugar on it and i'm not into that particular white stuff at all. Actually maybe that is the main reason haven't had any of them for so long. LOL, am like you in that the food table always had a pull-and-hold at any party with one. Just am not at all into cooking like you became. Agree the chef guy was generous with his rating.
hap0206, What's your bitch. His was a good story, no negs in it. And what do you do but denigrate it,
then again throw out your narcissistic flag about living to 90+. LOL I mean it's a good effort, but
his had nothing at all to do with living longer. You run a lot that's good, just it has nothing
to do with his post. Oh, and should mention a bros-in-law who used to run marathons
just passed away a bit short of your age. He had signs of dementia too.
Also, you are one of the lucky ones born with good genes.
Haven't ever seen you mention that.
UGH! "Why isn't she just eating fresh fruit for breakfast.", said the guy you are obviously liking more now than when you said he bugged you, and janice said she thought he was cute. LOL Guess what i had for breakfast, just now - 11:22 - as slept in, then got hung up on a not nice kind of guy here. Yep, sliced banana and cut up orange. In whole milk. You guessed it.
PS: Before your guy mentoned the fruit i was thinking she was into a recipe for not living past.., say 65ish.
B402, Nope. You ignore the content of my post. Then you make unsupported slurs against Schiff, where if you brought any
integrity and/or decency here you would have included something in support of your unsubstantiated slurs.
Then you post an article which has no connection to any of our discussion.
Your article simply suggests to me that Schiff is still a trusting guy and trust is a worthy trait sorely missing in your rabid Trump bunch
And, what you ignore in that sorry effort of yours is that there would have been many more cars in SF not broken into that night.
Schiff was simply unlucky. Or, guess it's possible that one of your crew targeted Schiff to create a story for you.
Big fail.
Bb402, FACTS
1. Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black crime are similar
2. Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide are similar, at around 80% and 90%
3.Rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide also within 8 points
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"FBI stats....Yep,,,,,17% of population makes up nearly 1/2 the murders and mostly in the inner cities
Its the part of disparity dems don't want to address........
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
Actual gun death data is something dems want to ignore too..."
You obviously either don't have the clues to be able to, or you really don't give a fuck about the whole picture, or your stat cherry-pick unintentionally, or intentionally, conveys your racism. Note my ors. Your use of that stat, as you did, implies that blacks are innately more prone to violence than whites.
And yet again you go to "dems want to ignore too" something, yet again, which is not true. Your favorite straw man it seems.
In light of the fact Dems are continually working for tighter gun laws, it's stupidly disingenuous of you to say 'dems want to ignore actual gun deaths.' Why are dems and other in favor of tighter gun laws? To cut gin violence. Why else???? So tell us how that of yours makes sense. For the hell of it, ignore all the rest here and let us know how that last of yours there makes any sense at all.
This redditt thread answers your crap as well as any:
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Why do people get offended at the statistic “despite being 12% of the population, black peoples commit 56% of violent crimes?”
I saw an ask reddit thread asking what’s a shocking statistic and this one kept getting removed. Id say it’s pretty shocking
because it even though it’s 12% of the population it probably is more like 6% since men commit most violent crimes.
That’s literally what the thread asked for: crazy statistics.
EDIT: For those calling me racist for my username: negro literally means black in spanish. it is used as an endearing nickname. my family and friends call me el negro leo bc my name is leo. educate yourselves before being xenophobic
EDIT 2: For those that don’t believe me here are a couple of famous people that go by the nickname negro: ruben rada, roberto fontarrosa. one of them is black one of them isn’t see it has nothing to do with race. like i said educate yourselves there’s a world outside the US.
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FYI, you got it slightly wrong. The 56% number is homicide specifically. More generalized violent crime is closer to 35%.
Experts believe that poverty and gang culture are the two main drivers, but people who like to repeat this statistic like to leave that out and imply that black people are biologically more prone to violence.
type_II_error • 2y ago • Edited 2y ago
It's not the statistic that's offensive. Statistics are, by nature, objective data (provided they were calculated in an unbiased fashion). It's the implication that's offensive.
The way these statistics are often used, it's implied that black people have a tendency towards violent crimes (either due to some sort of genetic propensity or inferior culture), when the true causes are likely, as others have pointed out, a mixture of poverty, history of oppression (causing black youths to have lower faith that they can succeed through honest work), and biased policing/prosecution.
This is why I wish there was more comprehensive teaching on how to interpret data, understand context, assess root causes and potential biases, and value objective sources. Ideally, we shouldn't have to censor statistics, because they're not the problem; the problem is the tendency of people to take statistics out of context and create misleading narratives.
Edit: so the comment chain below is... something. I get that many people have had negative experiences with black communities, and I'm not discounting that, just pointing out that there may be valid reasons why. Consider this - recent immigrants from Africa to the US are considered a "model minority" - that is, they (and their children) have higher educational attainment and higher incomes than US-born white people. Why? Because of immigration policies favoring skilled laborers. In other words, black people, just like everyone else, will succeed if you put them in a position to succeed. The larger black population in the US has dealt with centuries of oppression and systematic racism, thus remain socioeconomically far behind; but those in favorable circumstances do just fine.
More - https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/qws08l/why_do_people_get_offended_at_the_statistic/
We don't ignore what you say we do. You and yours, on the other hand, ignore everything that doesn't fit your fucking agenda.
B402, Screw you and your sick Republican talking point.
"A 2 billion dollar stadium for chicago.....Now, think about the inner city needs there...
Dems want to keep racism alive for votes....."
Your first is arguable. Your 2nd is just a conservative trope, like your "open border" bs.
Unlike the fact Trump and other GOPers want to stall border reform for votes. That is fact.
See, should be again:
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B402, Fact check: Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black crime are similar
"As for your crime statics, see if you remember this one"
More actual factual context for your black conservative whackjob video.
Related:
It's the same ol' racist trope about Chicago and "what about black on black crime???"
I wouldn't expect anything more from the swine in the GOP pig pen anyway. They don't have solutions.
They don't have any policy proposals except "Dems bad". That's it.
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Why Do Anti-Woke ‘Free Thinkers’ All Have the Same Opinions?
INTELLECTUAL DIVERSITY, MEH
They claim to support vigorous debate and spirited dissent, then they huddle in their ideological bubbles crying “I was canceled.”
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The claim: There are significant race-based disparities in civilian homicide rates, but not in police homicide rates.
A viral meme purports to list homicide statistics by race in the United States, as follows:
* Whites killing Blacks — 2%
* Police killing whites — 3%
* Whites killing whites — 16%
* Blacks killing whites — 81%
* Police killing Blacks — 1%
* Blacks killing Blacks — 97%
The page behind one viral version of the post, I Support Law Enforcement Officers, had over 611 shares on its post. USA TODAY has reached out to the page for comment.
Some versions of the meme include this line: "America does have a problem. But it's not what the media tells you it is."
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Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide are similar, at around 80% and 90%
Overall, most homicides in the United States are intraracial, and the rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black killings are similar, both long term and in individual years.
Between 1980-2008, the U.S. Department of Justice found that 84% of white victims were killed by white offenders and 93% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders.
In 2018, the Federal Bureau of Investigation reported that 81% of white victims were killed by white offenders, and 89% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders.
In 2017, the FBI reported almost identical figures — 80% of white victims were killed by white offenders, and 88% of Black victims were killed by Black offenders.
Though the numbers differ year-to-year, the stark difference that the viral post attempts to portray between the rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide — which it puts at 16% and 97%, respectively — is inaccurate.
Both numbers tend to hover between 80% and 90% and remain within 10 percentage points of each other.
Rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide also within 8 points
Likewise, the post attempts to portray a gulf in the rate of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide — which it lists at 81% and 2%, respectively.
Statistics from the FBI in 2018 and 2017 contradict that claim.
In 2018, 16% of white victims were killed by Black offenders, while 8% of Black victims were killed by white offenders.
Similarly, in 2017, 16% of white victims were killed by Black offenders, while 9% of Black victims were killed by white offenders.
In both years, the numbers remained within eight percentage points, a much smaller gap than the 79% alleged in the viral post.
Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates
Though nationwide statistics are less readily available, multiple studies have found that police kill Black people at disproportionate rates.
A study in the American Journal of Preventative Medicine in 2016 examined all 812 fatalities that resulted from use of lethal force by on-duty law enforcement from 2009-2012 in 17 states. The study used National Violent Death Reporting System data.
The majority of victims were white people, at 52%, but "black victims were over-represented (32.4%) relative to the U.S. population." The fatality rate was 2.8 times higher among Black victims than white victims.
Most victims were reported to be armed, at 83%, but black victims were more likely to be unarmed, at 14.8%, than white victims, at 9.4%, the study found.
Similarly, a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in 2019 found that Black men and women are killed by police at higher rates than their white counterparts.
Specifically, Black men are about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police over the course of their lifetime than white men, while Black women are about 1.4 times more likely to be killed by police than white women.
Both studies reveal that the claim from the viral post that police kill white people at 3% and Black people at 1% is false.
Our rating: False
Based on our research, all six purported homicide statistics in the viral post are FALSE. The significant race-based disparities are also false. In reality, rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicides are similar and remain within 10 percentage points of each other, around 80% and 90%, respectively. Likewise, rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide remain within eight percentage points of each other, at around 16% and 8%. And police kill Black people at disproportionate and much higher rates than they kill their white counterparts.
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* U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, November 2011, Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008
* Federal Bureau of Investigations, Uniform Crime Reporting, Crime in the United States 2018, Expanded Homicide Data Table 6
* National Library of Medicine, American Journal of Preventative Medicine, November 2016, Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement
* Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, August 2019, Risk of being killed by police use of force in the United States by age, race–ethnicity, and sex
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B402, Since you either couldn't, or wouldn't, give the board any context for the Milwaukee police officer video you posted, let me try.
The right's black crime obsession
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There are a few black people up to no good in this country and Fox News is on it! So is Drudge Report. Vigilantly on the lookout, 24 hours a day, for stories about black youths behaving badly.
This isn't a particularly new phenomenon, but it's intensified noticeably in the past year for at least two reasons. Conservatives, particularly white conservatives, feel a burning urgency to find a racial counterweight to the aftermath of Trayvon Martin's shooting (including President Obama's public comments about the incident), a logical response to the argument that things like background checks and an assault weapons ban are appropriate ways to reduce the likelihood of another Sandy Hook-style massacre, and anecdotal justifications for indiscriminate policing of dangerous neighborhoods.
But these are hopeless pursuits. The incidents they draw attention to fail by definition to underscore the things they believe. They all require projecting motives or details or both into tragic events, to create false dichotomies between shootings perpetrated by whites and blacks. They have the unhealthy effect of creating dueling tallies of white-on-black and black-on-white crime. And ironically they all tend to underscore the argument that more "stand your ground" laws and more racial profiling are off-point responses to these incidents.
The latest conservative cri de coeur is over the tragic shooting death of Chris Lane, a 22-year-old Australian attending East Central University in Oklahoma on a baseball scholarship. Two teen boys spotted Lane on a jog last week, trailed him in a car, and allegedly shot him fatally in the back (a third teen reportedly served as their driver). One of the suspects said the boys committed the murder out of boredom.
Word of the shooting spread quickly. And that's when the right clumsily revealed that its obsession with gun violence reflects an obsession with racial score settling rather than with averting further tragedies. The conservative media, including Fox News, repeated the claim that the Oklahoma suspects were all black. But this turned out to be a toxic mix of racial bias and wishful thinking. You almost wonder whether the people whose ulterior motives led them into error like this actually lamented the fact that one of the suspects happened to be white. It would be so much more convenient if that weren't the case.
But let's pretend for a minute that the suspects had all fit the stereotype the hosts at Fox and Friends wanted. Then the idea is that Chris Lane's death should somehow offset Trayvon Martin's, or that the people who sought to turn George Zimmerman's actions into a national referendum on "stand your ground" laws are somehow hypocritical for having little to say when the races of the culprits and innocent victims are reversed. For reactionary Obama foes like former Rep. Allen West, R-Fla., the obvious question is ..
"We were bored & decided to kill somebody." 3 black teens shoot white jogger.Who will POTUS identify w/this time? http://t.co/ovs9Xw23Ye
— Allen West (@AllenWest) August 20, 2013
.. , "Whom will POTUS identify w/this time?"
I'll give West, et al., this: If you ignore motive, circumstance, history and (likely) outcome, then liberals, particularly black liberals, sure seem craven. By that standard, though, Jean Valjean and John, King of England are moral equals -- just a couple of guys with similar names taking other people's property.
So let's review: George Zimmerman wouldn't have shot Trayvon Martin if he hadn't been profiling by race. And even if he had been, the shooting feasibly wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been legally allowed to carry a handgun and didn't think he was empowered by law to take matters into his own hands. The monstrous killing of Chris Lane has no such back story. The killers apparently had no motive whatsoever, were armed illegally, and certainly weren't trailing Lane because they believed, based on his race, that he might be a criminal. They are, however, likely to face serious prison time for their crimes. Zimmerman walked.
Put that all together, and it turns out these stories aren't counter-parallel at all. And more to the point, the events don't even anecdotally augur for policies the right supports. The kids in Oklahoma weren't "standing their ground," and a "stand your ground" law wouldn't have saved Chris Lane. Neither would a stop-and-frisk regime -- the killers were trailing him in a car. By contrast, a "stand your ground" environment and a stop-and-frisk mentality were instrumental in Trayvon Martin's death. Take either away, and there's a good chance he'd be alive today. Martin in fact personified the statistical folly of stop-and-frisk. If Zimmerman had yielded to real police, they would have, in absence of any suspicious behavior, stopped Martin, frisked him and found only the skittles and iced tea that made his death that much more tragically poignant.
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Ok, so if that is supposed to give some context to your "Yep", then, though can't see just now how it does, we can take it on board. It's a change of subject, but why not.
"Math is racist........So lets lower the standards? No....lets raise the standards of our schools and hire more teachers, not just for the the minorities but for all......
P - Good things can go too far and end up hurting instead of helping......They are many things this country needs to focus on, raising our standards is one of them.....
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/the-u-s-is-losing-its-competitive-advantage-3306225
The United States isn't investing as much in human capital as other developed countries and its comparative advantage is falling behind as a result. U.S. students' math skills have remained stagnant for decades. The country is falling behind many others which have greatly improved, such as Japan, Poland, and Ireland. U.S. test scores are below the global average."
Your beginning i have to guess because you did not give me a reference link. Guess you are saying some liberal do-gooders claims "Math is racist" because black kids tend not to be so good at it, so math standards in American schools have been dropped intentionally to help the black students. So white kids and America are suffering. Then, that though the intention of those misguided liberal do-gooders was well meant it ended up hurting instead of helping. Guess that has and does happen in some instances.
I don't know for sure, but guess there could be some truth - some truth - in that, no doubt mixed with some arguable error.
Your link is appreciated and i get the impression you are concerned with an alleged drop in educational standards in American schools. Fair enough, though there is research which suggests that test scores are not the be all and end all of educational worth. Should add and not forget some young people do poorly at school, even drop out early, yet are very successful in life. There is more to intelligence than is reflected in test scores. There is intrapersonal and interpersonal intelligence too. And artistic. And musical.
Anyway, back to the test scores that most parents have been convinced are most important to measuring their kids. A similar situation and debate has occurred in Australia for years.
Appreciate that you included a decent article. Here is another, though more narrowly focused on the black-white test score gap, still relevant:
The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done
Christopher Jencks and Meredith Phillips
March 1, 1998
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African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.
Closing the black-white test score gap would probably do more to promote racial equality in the United States than any other strategy now under serious discussion. Judging by the currently available statistical evidence, eliminating the test score gap would sharply increase black college graduation rates, making them nearly equal to white rates. Such a change would also allow selective colleges to phase out racial preferences in admission, which have long been a flashpoint for racial conflict. Eliminating the test score gap would also reduce racial disparities in men’s earnings and would probably eliminate the racial disparities in women’s earnings.
Narrowing the test score gap would require continuous effort by both blacks and whites, and it would probably take more than one generation. But we think it can be done. This conviction rests on three facts. First, black-white differences in academic achievement have narrowed since 1970. The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) data on 17-year-olds show that the reading gap narrowed more than two-fifths between 1971 and 1994. The math gap has also narrowed, though not as much. Five major national surveys of high school seniors conducted since 1965 show the same trend. So do surveys of younger students. The gap narrowed because black children’s scores rose, not because white children’s scores fell.
Second, even IQ scores clearly respond to changes in the environment. IQ scores, for example, have risen dramatically throughout the world since the 1930s. In America, 82 percent of those who took the Stanford-Binet test in 1978 scored above the 1932 average for individuals of the same age. The average black did about as well on the Stanford-Binet test in 1978 as the average white did in 1932.
Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.
Explaining the Gap
Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.
Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.
The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.
Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.
New Directions
We suspect that successful new explanations for the test score gap will differ from their predecessors in several ways.
First, instead of emphasizing the kinds of racial differences that economists and sociologists usually study (parents’ economic resources, parents’ position in the occupational hierarchy, parents’ exposure to formal education, and parents’ living arrangements), successful theories will take more account of the factors that psychologists have traditionally emphasized (the way family members interact with one another and with the outside world, for example). A good explanation of why white five-year-olds have bigger vocabularies than black five-year-olds is likely to focus on how much the parents talk to their children, how they deal with their children’s questions, and how they react when their children either learn or fail to learn something, not on how much money the parents have.
Second, instead of looking mainly for resource differences between predominantly black and predominantly white schools, successful theories will probably have to look more carefully at the way black and white children respond to the same classroom experiences, such as being in a smaller classroom, having a more competent teacher, having a teacher of their own race, or having a teacher with high expectations for those who perform below the norm for their age group.
Successful theories will therefore have to pay more attention to psychological and cultural influences, which are much harder to measure than income, education, and living arrangements. Collecting accurate data on black and white parents’ habits, values, behavior, and ideas is not easy, and it would take time. It might well require an investment of time and effort comparable to the effort that went into developing cognitive tests during the first half of the 20th century. But without such work, we are in constant danger of seeing black-white differences as an inevitable byproduct of people’s genes or of “cultural” factors that nobody can change.
Policy Implications
Our argument that reducing the black-white test score gap would do more to move America toward racial equality than any politically plausible alternative rests on two problematic premises: that policies aimed at reducing the test score gap are in fact politically feasible and that such policies can in fact reduce the gap.
Public support for almost any policy depends partly on whether the beneficiaries are perceived as deserving or undeserving. One obvious advantage of programs directed at children is that hardly anyone blames first graders’ ignorance on their lack of motivation. First graders of every race seem eager to please. Both black and white adults often think that older black children lack academic motivation, but most adults still blame this on the children s parents or schools, not on the children themselves. That was why Lyndon Johnson emphasized helping children in his original war on poverty.
Policies that reduce the black-white gap will not, of course, be politically popular if they improve black children’s test scores at white children’s expense. Both school desegregation and eliminating academically selective classes at desegregated schools have aroused strong white resistance because of the perceived cost to white children. But these policies would not do blacks much good even if whites were willing to adopt them. The most promising school-related strategies for reducing the black-white test score gap seem to involve changes like reducing class size, setting minimum standards of academic competency for teachers, and raising teachers’ expectations for low-performing students. All these changes would benefit both blacks and whites, but all appear to be especially beneficial for blacks.
An experiment carried out by the state of Tennessee during 1985-89 found, for example, that cutting class size in the early grades raised both black and white children’s test scores and that these gains were sustained even after children moved on to larger classes. The experiment also found that gains were much larger for blacks than for whites. Historical evidence also seems to support the hypothesis that the black-white test score gap falls when class size falls. When low birth rates reduced school enrollment in the 1970s, the teacher-pupil ratio rose and classes shrank. Independent analyses by Ronald Ferguson and David Grissmer suggest that this change in class size was followed by a marked decline in the black-white test score gap.
Although measuring teachers’ competence is harder than counting the number of children in a classroom, teachers’ test scores show a stronger association with how much students learn than any other widely used measure. Teacher competency exams are thus likely to boost children’s performance. Since the teachers who fail such tests are concentrated in black schools, such exams would probably prove especially beneficial to black students, although this benefit may be partially offset by the fact that the teachers who fail such tests are also disproportionately black.
Ferguson’s review of the literature on teachers’ expectations concludes that teachers do have lower expectations for blacks than for whites, but that this is largely because blacks enter school with weaker cognitive skills than whites and learn a bit less after entering. But Ferguson also finds some evidence that low teacher expectations have a more negative effect on black children than on their white classmates.
Research also suggests that black-white differences in parenting practices contribute to the test score gap. Improving parenting skills may therefore be as important as improving schools. The puzzle is how to proceed. Like teachers, parents are usually suspicious of unsolicited advice about how to deal with their children. But once parents become convinced that a particular practice really helps their children, many adopt it. As a practical political matter, whites cannot tell black parents to change their parenting practices without provoking charges of ethnocentrism, racism, and much else. But blacks are hardly the only parents who need help. We should be promoting better parenting practices for all parents in every way we can, including television, which reaches both blacks and whites.
Finally, conservatives who want to improve academic achievement should stop emphasizing the relationship between heredity and achievement and play up the importance of another conservative virtue—namely, hard work. Americans seem to be unusually likely to attribute academic failure to low ability rather than inadequate effort. When Harold Stevenson and James Stigler asked American, Japanese, and Taiwanese parents and teachers why some children did better than others in school, the Americans were more likely to emphasize ability whereas the Japanese and Taiwanese were more likely to emphasize effort. This difference does not seem to reflect a difference in fundamental beliefs about causation. Children all over the world recognize that both ability and effort affect achievement, and the same is probably true for their parents as well. But attributing failure to inadequate effort implies that if you work harder, you will learn more. Attributing it to ability serves as an excuse for doing nothing.
Americans’ emphasis on innate ability is likely to have especially negative consequences for African Americans, whose anxiety about racial stereotypes and intellectual competence can even depress their performance on standardized tests. Claude Steele and Joshua Aronson, for example, have shown that black Stanford undergraduates, unlike their white classmates, do measurably worse on tests when they are asked to record their race before taking the test or told that the test measures intellectual ability.
Time for Renewed Attention
Psychologists, sociologists, and educational researchers have devoted far less attention to the black-white test score gap over the past quarter-century than they should have. Cowed by the hostile reaction to Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s 1965 report on the status of the black family and to Arthur Jensen’s 1969 article arguing that racial differences in test performance were likely to be partly innate, most social scientists have chosen safer topics and hoped the problem would go away. We can do better.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/
B402, Now explain to me in context of our discussion how your "Yep" is meant to make sense.
Why would you even consider i would remember that interview. I've never seen it before.
In the context of our chat, what is the exact point you meant to make with it.
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Yep is used to convey agreement. What of the above does your yep agree to?
One thing your "Yep" does there is that it illustrates clearly that your
and your idiot video's claim that we can't or won't discuss is horseshit.
Now if you reply Yep to this post then yours would make some sense.
Seems you haven't learned a thing in your past vacation month.
Why would you even consider i would remember that interview. I've never seen it before.
In the context of our chat, what is the exact point you meant to make with it.
Phony, you're right. Those names conservatives give to conservative organizations are not only phony but in very many cases are designed to intentionally mislead any who don't know them. See all the conservative outfits that have Freedom in their name. None of them are about freedom for all.
B402, You have to be kidding. Your guy starts off with a huge conservative straw man-distraction when he says 'Why is it that black influencers and Democrats always bring racism to the table. Why do they take us back so many years.' Where does he get that from?
For example just there in our last two recent posts, you said racism had much improved, and i agreed. You said you guys - America - had done a decent job, and i agreed. Same goes i would suggest worldwide, except for few countries like Afghanistan where women's right have taken a huge backward step.
Then i gave you two stats, incarceration rate and homicide incidence and said you could do better. That obviously goes for most every country too. And you come back with that goddamn fool who talks rubbish.
All i gave you re your culture wars, Rufo and the stats i gave you are fact. And you come back with terribly flawed, aggressive opinion.
And you make that stupid, brooklyn13ish, argument that it's Democrats/liberals who won't or cannot debate.
Bullshit.
LOL Perfect.
B402, I see a guy struggling to keep his arguments above water:
"Like every black family has the talk about the police.....Every white family with school age kids now has the conversation...No you are not a racist because you are white, no the US was not a racist country, we are the country that wants freedom for all and equal rights for all.....And we have fought and died for that ideal...
P - Humanity as a whole is ever evolving, we cannot hold the people of the past to the standards of today....
P - "'More' perfect union"......more, being the key word from the preamble of the constitution.....We've done damn good at it........."
There is gobbledygook there, but yes you have done a decent job of it.
Still, a quick count ranks you 5th or 6th in the incarceration rate stakes ..
.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate .
And, though as you know violent crime is down under Biden your homicide rate still leaves something
to be desired .. https://www.niussp.org/health-and-mortality/americas-high-homicide-rate/ .
It would make some sense if the threat of a 3rd party run by Manchin was seen as a too much of a threat.
Say that doesn't happen who would you vote for?
Has to be Trump a 3rd time, eh. Your 'open border' bullshit has been
totally debunked. Trump a 3rd time if your dream does not come true?
conix, We know facts disturb you so, but you have nowhere else to go.
B402, Since when is an 'introduction to' a forcing. To you now 'giving information about' is forcing. To you now education is forcing,
"Manufactured Outrage is The Democratic Anthem........Reality was lost on you and repubs long ago..."
Nope. Wrong. The US culture wars manufactured outrage is exactly what so much
of your conservative bleat is. Ask your conservative mate Christopher Rufo:
How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory
Thanks. You saved me chasing those videos. I never heard of that Rufo dude before, yet
seems he's a key - even the KEY - player in the present political outrage around CRT.
P - To Christopher Rufo, a term for a school of legal scholarship looked like the perfect weapon.
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Your mate Rufo created much of your culture war .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=171365775 .
Christopher Ferguson Rufo (born August 26, 1984) is an American conservative activist,[1][2] New College of Florida board member, and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.[3] He is an opponent of critical race theory, which he says "has pervaded every aspect of the federal government" and poses "an existential threat to the United States".[4] He is a former documentary filmmaker and former fellow at the Discovery Institute, the Claremont Institute, The Heritage Foundation, and the Foundation Against Intolerance and Racism.[5][4][6]
Rufo has been involved in Republican efforts to restrict critical race theory instruction or seminars.[4] He described his strategy to oppose critical race theory as using the term to "put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category" and "to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think 'critical race theory.'"[7] Rufo's appearances with Tucker Carlson on Fox News reportedly influenced President Donald Trump to issue an executive order in 2020 banning some topics from diversity training for the government and contractors; the order was rescinded by President Joe Biden in 2021.[1][4]
Rufo opposes teachers discussing LGBTQ issues in schools. He has contended that public schools are often "hunting grounds for sexual predators."[8][9] He has said that "to get to universal school choice, you really need to operate from a premise of universal public school distrust."[10]
Rufo taps into and nurtures the distrust in you -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Rufo
Exactly. Perfectly said.
Yep. To be content enough with oneself to allow others the same is still too difficult for many.
Australian Workers Remembered Today on World Day for Safety and Health at Work and Workers’ Memorial Day
"What to know about UAW president Shawn Fain
"This should make you🤭.
Arizona Has Charged a Bunch of Trump-Allied Buffoons in the State’s Fake-Elector Scheme
Rudy Giuiliani, Mark Meadows, Boris Epshteyn... gang’s all here!"
Today, on World Day for Safety and Health at Work and Workers’ Memorial Day, the Australian Institute of Health & Safety (AIHS) and Australians nationwide pause to remember. In 2023 one hundred and seventy-five workers died in Australia as a result of traumatic injury in the workplace, according to data from Safe Work Australia. This number represents more than just a statistic; it reflects the devastating impact workplace fatalities have on families, friends, work colleagues and the community.
Five mechanisms of injury across a range of industry sectors accounted for one hundred and thirty-seven of those fatalities: vehicle incidents, being hit by a moving object, falling from height, being hit by a falling object and being trapped between stationary and moving objects. These five mechanisms of injury have been the top five mechanisms of fatal injury in Australian workplaces every year since 2003.
The consistency of this trend in the data underscores the need to use it effectively to inform future strategies and evaluate the effectiveness of current prevention measures in these critical areas. Additionally, we must use the data to detect emerging issues, offering an early intervention opportunity to prevent fatalities in unprecedented circumstances.
Every life lost is preventable and together we must continue to push for work health and safety to receive greater priority, improve standards and an elevated commitment to safety culture within Australian workplaces.
The AIHS is a powerful force for safer workplaces, thanks to the dedication of our members. It is the voice of the profession advocating for contemporary policy and practice, promoting organisations' commitment to a stronger safety culture from the top, and ensuring the expertise of the profession in this ever-changing world of work. By taking decisive action, we can create safer workplaces for all Australians.
AIHS Chair Mr Cameron Montgomery said “Today, we remember those who have lost their lives at work. We also recommit ourselves to the fight for safer workplaces.”
Mr Montgomery went on to say, “The members of our profession stand ready to collaborate with Safe Work Australia, Regulators, employers, industry groups, manufacturers, employee representatives, and any other group engaged in the fight to make workplaces safer, to ensure that everyone returns home safely at the end of the day.”
ENDS
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AIHS Contact: Rebecca Turnbull
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Email: Communications@aihs.org.au
About the AIHS: With a 75-year history, the Australian Institute of Health & Safety is Australia’s national association for the workplace health and safety profession, with a vision for safe and healthy people in productive workplaces and communities.
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Remembering loved ones lost at Tasmania's Workers' Memorial service
By Declan Durrant
Updated April 28 2024 - 12:45pm, first published 12:00pm
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Safety is our best memorial
Many AMWU members around the country paused from their toil for a minute or more yesterday to quietly remember the lives of workers who have been killed in workplace incidents.
https://www.amwu.org.au/safety_is_our_best_memorial
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Service to remember those who didn't make it home
By Matthew Kelly
Updated April 28 2024 - 4:25pm, first published 4:00pm
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8608813/international-workers-memorial-day-service-remembers-deceased-workers/
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What to know about UAW president Shawn Fain
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Arizona Has Charged a Bunch of Trump-Allied Buffoons in the State’s Fake-Elector Scheme
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As an old union guy it does
The Arizona charges made DW News, which i catch either after up, in the process of getting up, or while sleeping
in. It's about 5 or 6am on either Australia's ABC or one of the SBS channels, also public and on free tv in Sydney.
April Rubin, Nathan Bomey
Sep 25, 2023
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United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain speaks at a Labor Day Rally on Sept. 4 in Detroit. Photo: Bill Pugliano/Getty Images
With fervent anti-corporate rhetoric and aggressive bargaining strategies, Shawn Fain is surging into the national spotlight as he leads a historic auto strike.
Why it matters: As president of the United Auto Workers union, Fain is pursuing "record contracts" from General Motors, Ford and Stellantis while pledging to restore stability to a union fresh off recent scandals.
* The automakers must "come to their senses," Fain says, and pay workers what they deserve, calling for a 36% wage increase, a return to traditional pensions, retiree health care and a 32-hour workweek.
* Fain, whose family was also involved with UAW, joined the union in 1994 as an electrician for Chrysler at Kokomo Casting Plant in Kokomo, Ind., his hometown, according to a UAW biography.
The big picture: Fain was elected earlier this year as the president of the UAW by a razor-thin margin — 50.2% to 49.8% — by only 14% of the UAW's about 1 million active and retired members.
* Fain must show the members who didn't vote for him — or didn't vote at all — that he's fighting for them, says Harry Katz, a collective bargaining professor at Cornell University.
* The election came after a tumultuous period for the union. Fain's opponent was incumbent Ray Curry, who was part of the caucus that had been reigning for decades. Curry conceded his loss after initially filing a protest alleging election irregularities and campaign finance violations, according to NPR .. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/26/1166110383/the-president-has-been-ousted-in-an-election-to-lead-the-united-auto-workers-uni .
* Fain has promised to restore integrity to the office after a devastating scandal in which two previous presidents went to prison .. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmi/pr/former-international-uaw-president-gary-jones-sentenced-prison-embezzling-union-funds .. for embezzling member dues and the union ended up with federal oversight.
* "No more corruption, no more coverups," Fain's campaign website said .. https://shawnfainforoneuaw.com/about .
Flashback: Fain's union roots are familial, dating back to when Chrysler workers joined the union in 1937.
* Two of his grandparents were UAW retirees. He regularly carries one of his grandfather's paystubs with him as a reminder of his roots.
The intrigue: In 2007, Fain was a local UAW leader who opposed a two-tier pay system agreed to by Chrysler and the union — which the UAW now wants to undo.
* Fain's defiance was rare, Politico reports .. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/09/22/uaw-strike-shawn-fain-00117091 , and it became an inflection point in his career.
Worth noting: In the 2023 labor dispute, Fain has been negotiating in public .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/22/uaw-strike-shawn-fein-unions-leaked-messages — deviating from traditional, behind-closed-doors tactics — and using strikingly religious rhetoric .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/19/uaw-strike-shawn-fain-christian-preacher-religion .. along the way. President Biden will join the picket line with auto workers on Tuesday, following an invitation from Fain.
* Fain's fervent Christianity is evident in his public remarks, calling on the world to embrace the UAW's "righteous" cause, quoting the Bible and referencing biblical heroes like Moses and Peter. He's also drawn inspiration from Malcolm X, a one-time member of the Nation of Islam.
* His repeated bashing of the automakers inspires "members screaming 'I LOVE YOU' to our folksy gen x class struggle christian white dude from Indiana who quotes Malcolm X," UAW communications director Jonah Furman said in a recent batch of leaked messages .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/22/uaw-strike-automakers-operational-chaos-fain-leaked-messages .
Catch up quick: In an unprecedented move, the UAW shut down certain plants at all three Detroit automakers — General Motors, Ford and Stellantis — after its labor deals expired Sept. 14, calling for "record contracts" to match the companies' "record profits."
* Nearly 19,000 UAW workers were on strike as of Sept. 22, idling plants that make vehicles such as the Jeep Wrangler, Ford Ranger and Chevrolet Colorado — as well as the 38 parts distribution facilities at GM and Stellantis.
* Fain has threatened to further expand the strike to include all unionized facilities at the three companies if they don't deliver concessions.
The bottom line: Shawn Fain is leading with deeply rooted passion and rhetoric.
Go deeper: UAW boss Shawn Fain's union tactics, explained ..
https://www.axios.com/2023/09/22/uaw-strike-shawn-fein-unions-leaked-messages
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Rebecca Falconer
Sep 24, 2023
Canadian autoworkers ratify new labor deal with Ford
Unifor national president Lana Payne during a 2022 event in Toronto, Canada. Photo: Richard Lautens/Toronto Star via Getty Images
The Canadian autoworkers union Unifor said its members ratified a new agreement with Ford on Sunday, which covers more than 5,600 workers.
Why it matters: Unifor national president Lana Payne had made clear that workers were prepared for scenarios including strike action should a deal not be reached, as the "Detroit Three" automakers face the UAW's historic, coordinated strike .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/15/uaw-strike-united-auto-workers-union-detroit-three .. across the border in the U.S.
Go deeper (1 min. read) .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/24/canada-automakers-ford-labor-deal
Josh Kraushaar , author of Axios Sneak Peek
Sep 24, 2023 - Politics & Policy
UAW strike scrambles political allegiances
Then-candidate Biden delivers remarks outside the UAW Region 1 offices on Sept. 9, 2020, in Warren, Mich. Photo: Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
The United Auto Workers strike .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/21/uaw-strike-contract-gm-ford-stellantis .. against the Big Three domestic automakers comes at a volatile time in American politics, with blue-collar union workers set to be a pivotal constituency for both parties in next year's election.
Why it matters: Democrats have historically been the party of labor unions, while Republicans have maintained close ties to big business. But as Democrats have become increasingly reliant on college-educated voters, their close alliance with blue-collar unions has frayed.
Go deeper (3 min. read .. https://www.axios.com/2023/09/24/uaw-strike-biden-trump-republicans
Andrew Freedman , author of Axios Generate
Updated 1 hour ago - Energy & Environment
Tornado outbreak underway in Plains, with severe storms stretching to Midwest
Satellite photo showing severe thunderstorms just after dark on April 27, with lightning flashes shown as well. Photo: CIRA/RAMMB
A day after violent tornadoes struck Nebraska and Iowa ..
, a more widespread outbreak of severe weather is unfolding Saturday across the Central states.Extensive damage in Elkhorn, NE west of Omaha from Friday's (likely) long-track #Tornado. There was a 34-minute lead time with the warning thanks to@NWSOmaha who issued 42 tornado warnings, the most in 5 years from a NWS office. We're live on @weatherchannel pic.twitter.com/hKTKtOwA6D
— Mike Seidel (@mikeseidel) April 27, 2024
Was amazed 150,000 would go to the NFL Draft, but for any - even one - to go see a guy
eat a jar of cheese balls is, well, watching a cockroach fight would be more interesting.
LOL Sweet. Two sweets.
livefree_ordie, Your lack of empathy for all of those who have felt some discomfort with the gender assigned to them at birth is not surprising. You do come across as a rather unenlightened conservative. Why no understanding and acceptance even for for those who just enjoy dressing as one of the opposite sex to the one given them because of their exterior. Because of their physical appearance. You really do come across as one who dwells in the gutters of the past> And in the mire your personal conditioning.
"I hear it’s being replaced by “Tranny CSI” so you can keep watching."
What is the difference between transsexual and transgender?
Reviewed by the medical professionals of the ISSM’s Communication Committee
Sex and gender can be considered in biological and cultural ways. Biological sex refers to a person’s anatomy. Typically, a biological male has a penis and testes. A biological female has a vagina and ovaries.
Gender is rooted more in culture and environment. Most cultures have social customs and activities that are associated with males and females. For example, children may be given certain gender-specific toys to play with. In some cultures, this might mean toy cars and trucks for boys and dolls and dress-up clothes for girls. Likewise, the children might be raised to take on certain roles – or have certain expectations – as adults, based on their gender.
In general terms, the word transgender refers to people who identify differently from their biological sex. For example, a transgender person who is biologically female may feel that a male identity is a better fit and take the following steps:
• Use a male name instead of a female name.
• Use male pronouns instead of female pronouns.
• Dress as a man.
• Engage in activities that are typically associated with men in that culture.
A transsexual is a person who physically transitions from male to female or vice versa.
He or she might take hormones to suppress the characteristics of the biological gender or promote the characteristics of the desired gender. In this way, transsexuals can control, to some extent, traits like facial hair and breast development.
Transsexuals may also decide to have gender reassignment surgery, in which – to the extent that is possible – the anatomical features of the biological gender are removed and the features of the desired gender are added.
These definitions are not strict, however. Some feel that the word transsexual should not always refer to physical changes. And some transsexuals no longer refer to themselves as such after they have finished their transition. They call themselves either men or women.
The words are also complex in light of culture and the passage of time. What is considered typical male or female dress or behavior in one culture may be considered unusual in another. And what may have been typical gender expression a century ago may not be the case today.
https://www.issm.info/sexual-health-qa/what-is-the-difference-between-transsexual-and-transgender
Science has moved us from a rather ignorant in retrospect sex/gender polarity. Science not unarguably tells us there is woman and man and an infinite number of inbetweens. Do you understand what a continuum is. See:
Lime Time, You thunk like a lemon. Scholars once thought earth was the center of the universe, some non-scholars even now see it as flat. Sex orientation has moved us past you bipolar vision. Science is a wondrous study. Read. Consider Learn.
P - B402, Fuck off with your conservative bleat. It's a big deal because of your conservative culture war creation. The sexual continuum is a biological fact and your conservative camp's inability to cope with it is at the basis of the unhealthy extremist controversy your far-right has created. Your side's lack of realistic policy has resulted in your manufactured culture war.What else to do your Rufo .. https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=171727736 .. said. Administrators and athletes were handling it with little relative fuss until your rabid anti-trans zealots stirred the pot.
Attacks on Ohio transgender community a calculated political ploy to scapegoat the vulnerable
One shelf in our trans library -- https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=174078624
Plenty more you should study before making such a silly post again.
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To India
No more usage of ‘houswife’, ‘hooker’ 'transexual'! SC launches handbook on combating gender stereotypes
16 Aug 2023, 02:48 PM IST
The Supreme Court of India releases handbook to avoid gender stereotypical terms used in the judiciary system.
Supreme Court of India (HT_PRINT)
The Supreme Court of India on Wednesday released a handbook for judges to actively avoid the usage of gender stereotypical terms like "career woman", "fallen woman", "housewife", "Indian woman/western woman", child prostitute, etc.
The apex court has shared a list of preferred or alternate words that can be used instead, such as “clothing" (instead of provocative clothing), “mother" (instead of unwed mother), “woman (instead of whore), "unmarried woman" (instead of spinster), etc.
Supreme Court's handbook to mitigate gender stereotypical language in the judiciary system
Chief Justice of India DY Chandrachud released a handbook today called, "Combating Gender Stereotypes". He said the handbook aims to assist judges and the legal community in identifying and preventing gender stereotypes about women.
The handbook contains a glossary of more than 100 terms that were used in the Indian judiciary system for years. And now, they have been replaced by phrases and words that have no stereotypes attached to them.
The handbook also highlights binding decisions of the Supreme Court that have rejected these stereotypes. CJI Chandrachud said that the usage of new terminology will prevent prejudices and cast aspersion on any judgment.
"This is about stereotypes about women in legal discourse. It identifies stereotypes used by courts and how they are unwittingly used. (It is) not to cast aspersion on judgments. It will help judges to avoid it by recognising language which leads to stereotypes. It highlights binding decisions which have highlighted (sic) the same," he said.
The tutorial for e-filing has been uploaded on the Supreme Court's website and it would be followed by the handbook.
Recently, the CJI approved gender-neutral restrooms and online appearance slips at the Supreme Court.
Nine universal and gender-neutral restrooms are proposed to be constructed at different locations in the main building and at the additional building complex of the Supreme Court.
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/no-more-usage-of-houswife-hooker-transexual-sc-launches-handbook-on-combating-gender-stereotypes-11692176800675.html
You will never ever livefree if you don't keep up with science. And change.
brooklyn13, Or maybe they just care about Israel's overreaction and aren't as happy with the Greater Israel agenda of the worst of the Zionists and of the worst of the Israeli West Bank settlers. Maybe some of those students work two jobs and go into debt to get themselves a higher education.
It's not funny that you go for the all negative around people working and feeling hopefully
positive about more justice, even peace, in the Middle East. It's a bit sickening actually.
"Maybe it's me, but I can't tell if you actually are this dense or just pretend to be for your fans."
Yes. It is you. And your projection again there is noted.
LOL TT Y/W, it was tough work but got him there. That's great for Tory Taylor
"“When I first came over here I was like, ‘Oh, I’m just going to have fun and see what happens,'” Taylor said. “After a year or so, my coach said you can really be something pretty special. It wasn’t really anything that I thought about too much. I’d always known that I had a big leg. I’ve had one pretty crazy journey, but it just really shows if you just put in the hard work usually good things prevail.”"
I didn't either.
U.S. House votes down border bill favored by conservatives
"COVID B402, Trump’s Misleading Chart on Illegal Immigration"
Security bill – nearly identical to legislation House Republicans passed last year –
was an attempt by House Speaker Johnson to quell growing hard-right dissatisfaction
By: Ariana Figueroa - April 21, 2024 9:30 am
U.S. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson
U.S. Speaker of the House Mike Johnson (R-LA) speaks during a news conference after a weekly Republican conference meeting in the U.S. Capitol Building on Nov. 14, 2023, in Washington, D.C. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images)
WASHINGTON — The U.S. House on Saturday failed to pass a border security bill that Republican leadership intended as an incentive for conservatives to support a foreign aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
The border bill, turned down on a 215-199 .. https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024143 .. vote, was brought to the floor under a fast-track procedure known as suspension of the rules that requires a two-thirds majority for passage. The conservatives it was meant to appeal to slammed it as a “show vote.”
Five Democrats, Donald G. Davis of North Carolina, Jared Golden of Maine, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Mary Peltola of Alaska and Marie Gluesenkamp Perez of Washington, voted with all Republicans present in favor of the bill.
The border security bill – nearly identical to legislation House Republicans passed last year – was an attempt by House Speaker Mike Johnson of Louisiana to quell growing hard-right dissatisfaction .. https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/us-house-heads-toward-saturday-vote-95b-aid-israel-ukraine-taiwan .. prompted by his support for the $95 billion foreign aid package expected to pass Saturday with the help of Democrats ..https://www.newsfromthestates.com/article/us-house-heads-toward-saturday-vote-95b-aid-israel-ukraine-taiwan .
The measure is separate and not part of a package of three supplemental funding bills containing aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan as well as another so-called sidecar bill dealing with TikTok. The Senate will be able to clear the foreign aid package and ignore the border security bill that closely resembles another House-passed border bill the Senate has not acted on.
[Insert: George Will wakes up to see his monster
[...]"We have defined heroism so far down that it encompasses Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) allowing a House vote on assisting Ukrainians’ resistance to indiscriminate bombardments of population centers, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture and the abduction of children."
P - And by "We", he means "Republicans." 112 Republicans VOTED to look the other way on bombardments, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, and the abduction of children.
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.. and ..
How Mike Johnson Got to ‘Yes’ on Aid to Ukraine
"About bloody time - Ukraine Aid Bill Clears Critical Hurdle in the House as Democrats Supply the Votes
"Putin's irrationality meant no one could have prevented war: Canada's envoy to Ukraine""
[...]As a rank-and-file hard-liner, Mr. Johnson had largely opposed efforts to fund Kyiv’s war effort. And early in his speakership, he declared he would never allow the matter to come to a vote until his party’s border demands were met.
[...]One of the most impactful briefings, according to people familiar with the discussions, came in February in the Oval Office .. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/27/us/politics/biden-congress-shutdown.html , when congressional leaders met with Mr. Biden to discuss government funding and aid for Ukraine. At that meeting, Mr. Burns and other top national security officials sought to impress upon Mr. Johnson how rapidly Ukraine was running out of ammunition, and how dire the consequences would be if their air defenses were no longer reinforced by American weaponry.
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Rather than quell their unrest, Johnson’s move produced only more ire from hard-right members. Three Republicans – Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia, Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Paul Gosar of Arizona – are already backing a move to oust Johnson through a motion to vacate.
During Friday’s floor debate, Democrats argued that the bill, H.R. 3602 .. https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20240415/RCP_3602_j_xml.pdf , was a rehash of H.R. 2 .. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/2 , a bill House Republicans passed last year that would reinstate Trump-era immigration policies such as the construction of the border wall. Both bills would also require asylum seekers to remain in Mexico.
Border bill return
Republicans were largely in favor of the border bill, but several referred to the vote as a “sham” and admitted the bill would not pass in the Senate, which Democrats control.
“House Republicans are trying again to make our Democrat colleagues and President Biden take this border crisis seriously,” Alabama’s Barry Moore said.
The top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, Jerry Nadler of New York, said the bill was a “foolhardy attempt to pass for a second time one of the most draconian immigration bills this Congress has ever seen. This rehashing of H.R. 2 is a joke.”
“Republicans have proven that they want the issue more than they want solutions,” he said. “So here we are, again, taking a virtually same draconian bill as before, knowing that if it actually passes the House it will surely go nowhere in the Senate.”
Nadler argued if Republicans were serious about addressing immigration at the southern border, they would have supported the bipartisan border bill in the Senate, instead of rejecting it.
[Let me be more specific--Trump controlled the border MORE than Biden has. Not totally closed, but 1.8 million (Trump first 3 years) vs. 8.3 million migrants (first 3 years of Biden).
Hmmm....which is a better number for tax payers?
How mysterious, then, that when the Senate and House were presented with a tough bipartisan border bill, Trumpty told them not to bring it to a vote. And they obliged.
Contemptible.
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Three senators – Oklahoma Republican James Lankford, Connecticut Democrat Chris Murphy and Arizona independent Kyrsten Sinema – spent months crafting a bill that would overhaul immigration policy at the request of Senate Republicans who insisted border security provisions should be included in the foreign aid package.
[ Senate Republicans block bipartisan border security deal
by Alexander Bolton - 02/07/24 3:03 PM ET
Senate Republicans voted Wednesday against advancing a bipartisan border security deal that was part of a larger emergency foreign aid package to fund the war in Ukraine, Israel and Indo-Pacific security.
P - A motion to proceed to the package failed by a vote of 49-50, with most of the Senate GOP conference voting against it. Republican Sens. Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), James Lankford (Okla.) and Mitt Romney (Utah) voted to advance the measure.
P - Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) voted no, citing opposition to $10 billion in military aid to Israel given the deaths of more than 27,000 Palestinians in Gaza. Democratic Sens. Ed Markey (Mass.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Alex Padilla (Calif.) and Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) also voted no.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4453955-senate-republicans-block-bipartisan-border-security-deal/ ]
But congressional Republicans walked away from it .. https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2024/02/06/bleak-future-for-immigration-action-after-u-s-senate-gop-abandons-border-security-deal/ .. early this year at the urging of GOP presumptive presidential nominee Donald Trump, who was not supportive of the bill because he is centering his reelection campaign on immigration.
The chair of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio, argued that the bill “isn’t quite H.R. 2.”
The bill is nearly identical to H.R. 2, but removes the mandate for employers to verify a worker’s immigration status and employment eligibility, and includes about $9 billion in grant programs for border states.
“Let’s take a step in the direction of fixing it and pass this legislation,” Jordan said of the southern border.
A ‘sham’ of an immigration bill
Washington state Democrat and chair of the Progressive Congressional Caucus Pramila Jayapal said the bill was pointless.
“The majority could barely pass this legislation last year,” she said, referring to the party-line vote in 2023. “And now it’s going to magically pass it in the House with a two-thirds majority? Give me a break. This bill is going nowhere, so let’s just be clear about that.”
Texas Republican Chip Roy agreed that the bill would not become law, and expressed his frustration that the GOP would not try to leverage foreign aid money for it.
“Republicans continue to campaign on securing the border and then refuse to use any leverage to actually secure the border,” Roy said. “We should get it signed into law but the only way to force Democrats to do it is to use leverage.”
Arizona Republican Rep. Andy Biggs also agreed with Roy and Democrats that “this is a show vote.”
Pennsylvania’s GOP Rep. Scott Perry echoed similar remarks, but said he would still vote for the bill even though it’s “designed to fail.”
“But I want everybody to know it’s a sham,” Perry said.
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/04/21/u-s-house-votes-down-border-bill-favored-by-conservatives/
There is no question about who is the dam against further sw border reform --damn Trump is the dam.
conix, Let us be more specific -- COVID. B402, Trump’s Misleading Chart on Illegal Immigration
[...]
In fact, the arrow is pointing to apprehensions in April 2020, when apprehensions plummeted during the height of the pandemic. In his last months in office, apprehensions had more than quadrupled from that pandemic low and were higher than the month he took office.
[...]
As we have written, apprehensions at the southwest border .. https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters , were 14.7% higher in Trump’s final year in office compared with the last full year before he was sworn in.
[Insert: Actually that is the only stat anyone need remember in
answer to Trump and his supporters' sw border misinformation.]
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So apprehensions in Trump's last year about 15% higher than in Obama's last year.
That's all you have to remember so that you can tell the truth about the border here.
Of course you would feel like a shower after it, still it would be bloody good for you.