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From the positive side of the tracks, I would ask where have you seen pumping coming from? I suppose I am a "pumper" because I remain positive about the upside of the potential of the company?
If so, I will own that title, because I believe they are legitimately close to having a viable product with viable and meaningful sales opportunities.
I just don't come here a lot anymore because of the futility of having things suppressed just because I am positively supporting the company.
I feel like this is still a little bit of an over-simplification.
Sure, I get the point about "short interest", that is what is legally being shorted. Based on your definition of the other type of shorting that OTCShortReport shows, all of that is "legal" or "just making the trade happen" kind of stuff.
But that is not the end of it, and I'm pretty sure you know that.
You know that there is illegal shorting taking place that isn't properly reported, and you also know that price manipulation is taking place in the "legal shorting" approach that you detailed.
I am not saying that every share that OTCShortReport says was shorted was a manipulation. But companies are able to take an order, provide requested shares (let's say 10k shares for this instance) and say that the sale happened at .023 while providing those shorted shares. Now they have to actually buy those shares to cover, and as you suggested, they have a cup of coffee (or two, or lunch, or a vacation) then they come back in and cover at .021 (probably more reasonably at .022 or .0225).
I feel pretty confident in believing that type of manipulation, and more tricks that I am not even aware of, is taking place. But, we will go along with the roses theory that all MMs and institutions are on the up and up, and would NEVER manipulate even the ruddy-poo penny stock, because of course that would just be a waste of time.
I appreciate and applaud you for taking the time to actually go through this and put it out there.
With that though, you're going to have to keep going with the education part of this, because a few things that you put in there don't line up.
1) This is not able to be traded on margin, so why would there be a requirement to have that available? Unless you are saying that just because it is a penny stock they have to have that available.
2) I can appreciate the detailing of faith in the MMs motives while "shorting" a stock for a few seconds to get my shares to me right away. However, I don't wholly buy this. A few reasons:
a) I have placed limit's and watched them come through the transaction wire in various forms that were not 1) The price that I placed the limit at, yet I was charged that price (albeit it was just a small amount), 2) The transaction shows as a 'Sell' rather than a 'Buy' which says to me that tricky accounting takes place that allows those MMs to declare it however they like in order to...well, I'm not sure what they get from it. I have my suspicions, but that is all they are. Finally 3) I have placed Market orders that have done the same thing, and oh by the way, watched the transaction wire to see when it comes through.
b) What is it then, that has placed question marks all around Citadel, if there is not manipulation going on? They are MMs for a reason, sure! But that doesn't mean that they are operating on the up and up ~shout out to Wolf of Wall Street~.
You know just as well as I do that there are various means and ways to manipulate these things, and those very same MMs are professionals at it. It IS, after all their game. While this simpleton penny stock doesn't offer much in the way of profit from heavy shorting, it still offers a consistent and tight little $10, 20, 30, maybe even $50k pot every day, with very little if any chance of getting caught and wrist slapped.
You can't write this off to "it's low volume", because I am in a stock that has far lower volume movement per day. Heck, they're lucky if they get 10 trades in a day. If the buy order comes in, the order just sits there until someone is ready to sell. Now, you might say "that's not how it works/how it's supposed to work", there are quite a few things that are taking place in the market these days that aren't how they are supposed to work.
That volume percentage means something when I can't trust in the transparency of the agencies and entities that are supposed to be governing these things.
I can be convinced to believe other things...on this subject. But more and better transparency is required first.
Don't look now, but it seems that Pppp-Fizer is lobbying to get their "booster" shot fast tracked and circulated through EUA.
I would almost be willing to stake my whole investment portfolio in the belief that they will receive that authorization too.
I would go further on a limb to say that they receive it before RVVTF sees any kind of leniency. I know that Pppp-Fizer just started working on that booster something like 6 months ago, right?
This will really tell you how the playing field is really constructed.
That's it right there!
Educate us. If the volume of shares sold or traded is shown, is that accurate?!?
If they are saying a certain percentage is shorted, how is that not accurate as well?!?
I am genuinely open to hear the explanation for this. In fact, maybe you could be so kind as to explain how this board’s trade reporting works too! Because I am not sold (pardon the pun) that the information is very accurate here either.
Get all of your work...er...research in before you go past the sticks!!!
This is great news! Maybe this points to the idea that they have a monetary agreement in place with India, or perhaps they have a very good idea that they will receive EUA approval in the very near future.
Either way, the greater exposure means more trading platforms. As well, being elevated (even to the OTCQB) hopefully means less manipulation from the MMs and shorts.
Those are grants, so they don't really have to pay for those until they sell (unless otherwise negotiated). Normally this would be either you pay at the vesting date, a year from now. Or, they sit as grants until sold and the cost basis is factored in at that time.
But notice, a few of them have a strike price of .60. I wonder if the ones that didn't have that listed, have a different price.
It is a promising sign though, that their senior leadership is being well-positioned to prosper if the company prospers.
That is a good find. I will be interested to see if the FDA magically stumbles on that and "fast-tracks" them into EUA for this in the fight against this new strain.
I am obviously skeptical and cynical regarding situations like this. I learned in the military a long time ago, that sometimes it's not about what you know, but who you know.
Hello This!
Yes, it is bothersome. To see that this stock is shorted anywhere from 50-70% of its traded volume. But as you say, what if one day it takes off, there will be a lot of jaws dropped.
Granted there is not a high volume of shares traded daily. But I also firmly believe that the reason that we haven't seen this go back to sub-penny as a result of all the shorting is because there are plenty of folks that are holding on to what they have.
Just need a few more really serious investors to buy then hold.
Nice! Just needing the chaff to float through.
This is the prime time for attacks and discouragement.
By the way, I found a very interesting write-up on OTCShortReport.com. The article went on to suggest different things to look out for when a stock is being naked shorted. Classic signs show up on this one.
I would wholeheartedly agree with this, that the stock is being suppressed. It doesn't help with the shenanigans taking place with many of the OTC stocks, but then to have to contend with the politics of the FDA and various lobbyists.
Revive has to find a way to push through this and throw elbows to force their product into some market (which they are trying to do with India). Once it is in a market and able to show its effectiveness, then it can't be denied.
We've been waiting long enough on the FDA, and the game playing that they are doing. I truly feel that it is just a game that they are playing, called 'Favorites', or perhaps 'Grease ma' Palms'. Hopefully we breakthrough soon with the deal in India.
I think a Reaper mask will be more effective...just sayin'. You might even be able to put a little Progressive in it and "name your price"! :P
HAHA!LOL!
I can understand this sentiment.
No telling who can really be trusted in all of this.
Fair enough! That is the reason that I asked that of you. I know what it is that I think 'DD' is, but I wanted others to hear that from you. Because sometimes other folks need to hear that explanation rather than what may come across as a slight or a jab.
I don't perceive you are an antagonist toward this stock, but as you said, just wanting to learn more about the company.
However, the CEO took part in the Emerging Growth Conference last week. So you can also take a listen to what he had to say about the company's projects. I plan to watch it myself, but haven't done so yet.
In other words, just like you, I was skulking around this ticker for a little while too. But saw something about 3 months ago that caused me to cave and dig in to this and buy shares. It is cheap enough to take a chance, and I consider it 1 of my 4 "small lottery tickets". I have 1 BIG lottery ticket, but I do think this one can produce.
Nice! It's sounding like you're rolling pretty heavy.
I am hopeful that we get that next level news some time in the next 2 months. I think it will happen. The company has been too calculated and quiet here in the last 6 weeks.
I understand what you are saying. Because I have seen what you mentioned in other spaces.
Here is a question for you, more like a call for guidance for those seeking to post DD vs. informational material.
Can you differentiate for folks, what makes the two items what they are? Because I think some folks don't know what DD is more than it is 'related to' what it is they are doing, so to them it is DD.
Myself, I look at it from a directly related facts-based approach. For instance, on the Discord space, they have a section for 'News', a section for 'announcements', and a section for 'due-diligence'. When someone posts something in the due-diligence section that is conjecture I feel like that is the wrong classification for it.
Due-diligence would be something that is confirmed progress, contracts, patents (filed & issued), hirings/firings, raising capital, partnerships, announcement of splits, increasing shares count, other historical company related facts, etc...
I 2nd that!
All in favor say "I"!
Let the church say "AMEN!"
In all seriousness, I couldn't agree more. Especially with a medication that has been in circulation for a number of years already. I am not really sure what it is that needs to be proved with this medication, other than it works to relieve the symptoms of those infected.
It's good! You're an enthusiastic investor. My guess is that you've been sitting on a shares egg that is pretty large and you feel like it is starting to get warm
I would welcome them blowing up and catching a 100Mil contract. That's 100Mil! Then go get another 100Mil.
After a few of those, before you know it you're talking a nice payday. My thinking is is they can pull 500Mil in revenues each year, that should translate to a nice share price. Let alone the 10Bil that you initially mentioned.
I own stock in a company right now that is closing in on 5Bil annual revenue, and their share price has been trading at or above $100 per share for a few years now. But the outstanding shares count for that one is about 163Mil, where MN is 120Mil. If they got 5Bil in revenues, I would like to think the s/p would be something comparable.
So here's to hoping for 500Mil for this year. ;)
I'm sorry that you look at it that way. I am glad for you that you were able to get out of this stock in time. It is clear that you were not comfortable with the practices you felt were and currently are illogically taking place.
Fair enough! I can appreciate folks who are trying to look out for others. I would want someone to tell me if there were things going on such as 'Pink - No Information' stocks not being able to be traded on some platforms after September.
I think it is just a natural, and hopefully understandable, response to defend my decision if there are folks that show up to flow negative feelings or information when the feelings road is already rough. Not so much for me, because my mind is made up, I am in this for the very long haul. But I do want new investors not to be easily scared away because bad decisions or occurrences happened 10 years ago.
To wave my white flag on the de-listing item, you were correct that they were not on the NASDAQ or NYSE, but they were once on the OTCBB based on the document that you referenced, which is where they are now trying to get back to. They were bumped to Pinks about a year or so after that reverse split. So I concede that item, never to be mentioned again as them having been on the NASDAQ.
You can do better than that. You guys are throwing lots of things at me and requiring hard answers. You can at least not pontificate on what you *think* they have done with those promissory notes.
Admittedly, those were bad. One could surmise they did that to stay in business. Sounds valid to me. But, they dug themselves a nasty hole. Oh! They are now working on filling that hole and getting back on even ground.
But, those that were burned in the past as a result of the backsheet shortcomings, will never see anything other than what this company did as what this company does. This is a different day!
Or, is it that you feel that they are lying on the recent reports that state that debt has been taken care of? Trust me, I was not happy with the conversion deal that they struck to get out of those promissory notes, but that debt is no longer there.
That’s a lot of news stories all in one place. 8-]
The backsheet received its patent, little too late. Still have the patent, but from what I recall they stated they couldn’t achieve the price point that China had already established.
The news stories, yes, that’s tough to answer. Let’s see, on one hand we can tell our investors what we’re “up to” because it looks like it has major promise that it is about to happen. Then it doesn’t happen, so we look like @$*holes to the public. ~maybe they were doing a little bit of that back when~
On the other hand, they can keep things quiet until they know for sure what is going to take place, not announcing ready for shipment announcements until they have actually made the sale and shipped. ~seems like something closer to what they are doing now-
Either way, investors aren’t happy until the stock price goes up. I get that, because I get frustrated dealing with it too. I want those beans to grow.
But I will ask this question, if you’re unhappy with this company and don’t see the upside or honesty in it? Then why come here to be...not a protagonist?!?
Those promissory notes don’t exist anymore (see 10-Q from end of March). Good to see you’ve decided to join the discussion.
It’s been awhile.
By the way, with regards to the 1:30 reverse in a “failed attempt to uplist”, it didn’t *quite* happen that way.
They were actually already listed, and they did the reverse split in an effort to keep from being de-listed. I know this because I owned shares at the time, and remember the press release, etc...
Not a major gotcha, but just clarifying what really happened.
I like this outlook. :)
They definitely could have done a better job of clarifying exactly what that means.
But an antagonist will have a field day with this, so this is their day. In the meantime, I will trust that just because they've chosen to sever the partnership with Soelect that there could still be something brewing elsewhere.
There are still partnerships with TopBattery and Ferroglobe. Because they didn't do the best at confirming those partnerships are still strong, it leaves rooms for speculation that (as you say) they are abandoning battery tech.
But until I see that in a report that they've severed those relationships too, then their battery tech is not dead (as you say).
Definitely disheartening to hear. It would also be good to hear more details behind the decision, not just the idea that they are terminating the agreement to focus on the Hydrogen side.
If that is the case, will this mean that we will hear the same thing regarding TopBattery and Ferroglobe? I would hope not, but maybe that pressure can be put on the team to help answer those questions.
Nice! I added a few weeks back, and have gone from .016 to .02 to .023. But if the stars align I will have enough shares that I can profit very comfortably and still have plenty of shares stored in the event that it really blows up.
Just so you know, this is awkwardly not the main message board. When the name/ticker change happened, this board was not tied to the message board of the main NewHydrogen page. So these posts are tied to what used to be the New Horizons Learning page.
You can search for the NewHydrogen board through the "Search iHub" menu, then go to the main page where you will see the bulk of the conversations (although not many) past and present.
It depends on which shares you sold. Your investment institution should have the information included with your cost basis info. So when you sold, you should have been able to select which shares or ‘lot’ you want to sell from.
So no matter what, the purchase date of any share or lot will always have a vesting schedule based on that purchase date. Unfortunately, if you bought shares in June, then sold those shares in December they are short-term gains. If you later bought shares, in say, September, they will not be long-term assets until September.
I hear you. The unfortunate part is that we haven't really had a lot of positive sentiment on this board. So for the time being we are both kinda waiting on some wise words.
From the encouragement side of the house though, I can say that there is a bit of information coming out that seems to have 2-degrees of separation for NewHydrogen on the battery front. It seems that our three known primary partners (Soelect, TopBattery, and Ferroglobe) are all close to or in the midst of announcing deals to manufacture batteries.
If NewHydrogen is tied to these in any way that very well could be the catapult that moves this train.
Very good graphic that you've brought up there.
I would be curious to know if that deals strictly with vaccines, or if that is inclusive of therapeutics as well. I know that the timeline should be the same, but I would be interested to see the chart for therapeutics if they are not in there.
I would add that another element that has been introduced is the Intellectual Property waiver. So now that they've reached a certain milestone, the elitists are now pushing to have the IP protections lifted so that "formulas" would essentially need to be shared with all vaccine makers to allow for increased production.
So even when they get out of the woods, they very well may be welcomed to a hippie sharing society where their efforts could be hampered anyway.