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Easier to just invest in it. No muss no fuss
Another supply chain debacle?
Da NWS's da foist ting dat popped inma head
I luv yah baby. Come back for a quick flip @ $0.30
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Moving along like a lazy snail
To the victor belongs the spoils...
IMO, He's implying da Goberment will burst into flames following da path it's on.
Shareholder's lawyers are asleep at the wheel on this point.
Following $FNMA~ $FMCC~ $JPS~ ET ALL already covers the last one anyway
Pass da Hot Potato
Hot Potato
Just take a look at the US debt clock...
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What was once greed has morphed into desperation IMO
Cellar box FnF along with all subsidiary JPS.
It's the most likely explanation based on my personal analysis. I am open to a better one but have yet to read one on this board since the event occurred.
Yeppers, dat annoys dem da mostest
The time to do it would be now. We'll soon see.
That's a valid premise however you'd first have to make the shareholders case that all the kings horses and men have been working on almost a decade now with limited successes to date.
My personal prescription for said suffering PTSD victims is to stay healthy by visiting the roof from time to time...
PS, I've seen my own trades recorded before, and after hours. It doesn't mean chit although it's higher probability it's an AON trade completed.
Precisely! MM's & BD's covering their massive FTD's (naked shorts). They probably started buying months ago at a set AON limit price. That's the inside mechanism that recorded the completed t massive trades we saw pre-market last week.
Your bid or ask doesn't show on level 2 when you place an AON (all or none) order. That's the only way for whales to move massive numbers of shares without becoming their own worst enemy. I've done this myself on small thinly traded issues where I was the "WHALE". It takes a lot of time and patience. It also involves communicating with your broker because they get f'd holding the bag if you cancel your order before it's completely filled.
Now your starting to get it
A T trade is a normal trade recorded after hours AKA a late trade. There is no mechanism to swap shares from one issue to another. That could be effectuate by executing a sell of one issue and a Buy of another issue which takes CASH & a lot of other little participants to come up with the CASH to buy the 170 mil shares at that price on one issue. Then yah would need just as many little participants laying wait ready to sell 170 mil shares on the other issue to effectuate such a "swap". Who cares if it's recorded after hours as a T trade! That has no bearing on this equation. You and I can effectively swap our meager holdings on these issues either directions this way any given day without moving the SP. So what! The bottom line is yah can't accomplish moving 20% of the float or 20 times the average daily volume without significantly moving the SP on at least one side of the two trades required to effectuate said swap.
I know but that doesn't explain the identical, simultaneous massive volume not moving the SP on Either issue. If I sold 170 mil shares with an ALL OR NONE limit order it would take many days if not weeks or months to fill. When it finally filled it wouldn't have moved the SP and I'd be free to buy the other issue immediately harvesting a loss or delaying a gain but the 170 mil buy order wouldn't fill immediately unless I placed a Market Order which would drive the issue straight up. That didn't happen in this instance. Do yah believe there was a bid for 170 mil shares on one issue someone could sell to at that price with 170 mil shares on the ask on the other at the same price? Keep in mind the average daily trading volume is under 10 mil and these issues have almost identical price action historically.
Absolutely, and the Administration will have total control to do so as long as the GSEs remain in Conservatorship. Don't hold your breath waiting for these crooks to take their masks off in this environment!
The only other possibility is someone, or group put Identical ALL OR NONE limit orders on both issues which doesn't add up coz someone, or group with that much to invest wouldn't want to hamstring their ability to toggle between the two parallel trading issues advantageously. Of course, I'm making the presumption anyone, or group with that much to invest is intelligent to arrive at my conclusions
If someone dumped that many shares in one issue then bought that many shares in the other, the SP would have gone straight down in one issue, and straight up on the other. Otherwise your correct that you can sell one then buy the other harvesting a loss or delaying tax liability on the gain. The point is that if yah already own both issues that no longer works coz the trades would wash out.
I read Navy's post. He and the broker he spoke with speculated together. The broker didn’t confirm as an authority that it happened as a matter of record. Yah can't buy the same stock back after selling it for 30 days and take the tax loss. That's a wash sale if you do. There are large naked short positions on almost every otc issue traded. That fact that that massive volume on both issues didn't move the sp tells me MM's and BD'S took this ten year low opportunity to cover. Especially since it was about the same # of shares on both issues. Both issues have traded almost identically since on the OTC. That's not natural so yah have to realize MM's and BD's manipulate with naked shares that are largely un checked on the OTC. Would you really expect a TD Ameritrade broker to tell yah it was them and they often trade against you, their client? In case yah didn't know, SCOTT trade was going tits up when TD Ameritrade bought them for what they thought was a bargain. What wasn't completely understood was just how many FTDs they would inherit with the closing of that deal. The good thing about FnF is they're in the spotlight enough that they don't dare put sell only restrictions on them to cover their FTD'S. TDA was a good penny stock broker until they inherited the problems that took SCOTT TRADE down. What I'm talking about is a decades old systemic OTC problem that other penny stock traders are well aware of. Just be happy they chose to cover as it's slowed the loss harvest season slide which still isn't over.
1. If yah own both FNMA and FMCC yah don't harvest a tax loss swapping them coz the buys and sells would be a wash trade on both sides of that equation ergo no rational reason to swap.
2. The chart records trades so if the shares weren't bought & sold they wouldn't show on the chart.
3. There's no way to trade that volume without moving the SP unless they were AON limit orders which make no sense for any one investor to place on both issues for reason #1 listed above.
I think yah have to have had a job to qualify for unemployment, yes?
That dog don't hunt...
Actually there's 3 sides: the outside, inside, and myside
10 cents IS 10 cents!
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That's a start. I dunno how to open an account that we could transfer shares to but I'll see if I can figure something out. Anyone with an idea please chime in. I'm think some sort of trust account in Brittney's name that matures when GSE'S are released. Hopefully that wouldn't cost to much to set up
We'll send the shares to her via her lawyers and let them make it their idea
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Naked short MMs bought from retail tax loss harvestors.