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BUYERS BEWARE. There is nothing left to this company. The fact this ticker is trading is insanity.
Glen Fastback: Unlikely it's the good guys.
tundra1: No they don't. The former CFO was documented as being surprised that the ticker was even trading anymore. Caveat Emptor.
Glen Fastback: NEOM no longer has any patents, App, platform, customers, office, staff, or CEO. Everything has foreclosed on after default. There is nothing here.
rocket18: That's NOT good.Enterprise Value is calculated as the market capitalization plus debt, minority interest and preferred shares, minus total cash and cash equivalents. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/enterprisevalue.asp
Besides, NEOM lost ALL it's patents and other assets when foreclosed on by YA.
WarMachine: We're on the same side.
I wrote that they do not DIRECTLY[/.b] own and operate NM LLC. We do not know who the members of the NM, LLC. private entity actually are.
That being said, I was the one that originally posted about NM, LLC and that they were a YA-controlled entity (not confirmed):
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=124704037
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=123557490
I also first mentioned fact that YA and NM, LLC wwere at the same address:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=125685603
no_brag_just_fact: Do you not know that all NEOM assets were foreclosed on by YA after NEOM defualt and sold at auction? NEOM is WITHOUT cash, IP, patents, product, App, customers, offices, employees,and CEO.There is nothing left at NEOM to make a go of. A private YA-controlled LLC now owns the assets.
jacksira: YA does not run NEOM. After default NEOM's assets were foreclosed upon by YA and sold at auction. The IP and other assets was purchased at the auction by NM, LLC. for $1.2M dollars (which no doubt flowed back to YA.) YA does not directly own or run the IP. NM, LLC.does on behalf of it's members. The LLC is not public and the members are not known.
ib12u: A shell corporation is a corporation without active business operations or significant assets. These types of corporations are not necessarily illegal. My previous comments stand.
ib12u: Some brokerages HAVE STOPPED selling NEOM shares, while others have continued. While the stock in this shell apparently continues to trade it's important to note that NEOM is WITHOUT cash, IP, patents, product, App, customers, offices, employees,and CEO. NO opportunity in 2017 or beyond. BUYERS BEWARE,
jacksira: No worries, they will come up with a new fantasy.
scania4: Irrelevant.
Poptech: That is the last iPhone update. NeoReader on Android was updated on Nov 22, 2016. This update reflects in part that the App is now offered by NM, LLC. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.gavitec.android&hl=en
Be Confident: More conspiracist, fantastical, thinking on your part.
Your posts are clearly attempts by you to gain a sense of hope and control over your situation as a former shareholder in NEOM. A situation that unfortunately was predictable IF you looked at all the DD gathered by you and on this board with a balanced, unbiased focus rather than greed of NEOM achieving world domination and your sub-penny shares miraculously making you millions. The net result of your reckless posts lend a type of consent to the wrongdoing laid down upon shareholders and mislead the less informed.
If you were not so lost in rationalizing the situation you would see my comments and perspective regarding NEOM for what they have always been IMHO - shining light on the truth and being helpful.
WarMachine: I agree. I was responding to Be Confidents ridiculous and misleading comments.
Be Confident: NEOM is over. Surprised? Unlikely anyone is going to pony up the 100s of thousands of dollars to initiate a lawsuit.
ticker99: It's been game over for NEOM for several months. NEOM lost all their assets (patents/IP, App, platform, customers etc.)to YA as a result of a default on the 43M dollar debt YA called in.
Shortheidman: Where have you been? NEOM lost ALL their assets - patents and APp included to YA in default. It been lights out for NEOM for a while now.
IamBaphomet: Clearly you are commenting on a game that you have not played (and clain to have reached level 50 in Pokemon Go.) Any gamer can tell you are lying. Want a link? Sure, here is one of hundreds, http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2016/07/29/cap-maximum-what-pokemon-go-is-like-at-level-40/#70156d375808
Poptech is not making claims, he is stating facts.
...and Toru Iwatan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toru_Iwatani), he did not create Pokemon. Satoshi Tajiri (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri) was the creator of Pokemon.
IamBaphomet: There is NO such thing as level 50 in Pokemon GO. Pokemon GO only goes up to level 40. No one has yet reached it yet. The experience points necessary to move from level 39-40 is anticipated to take one year alone at intense play. Just playing the game you can see for yourself if QR Code is in Pokemon GO.
Url shortener = indirect. Is not the case. That is what NEOM changed the interpretation of their claims to to. Claims they never proved in court.
The whole point of the article you cite is that it was bull that NEOM claimed this. From the article, "Neomedia’s claims are unlikely to be successful when fully tested in a court of law." So much for the value of posting links. You don't even read or understand your own.
As far as, "If your posts are as important as you claim please ask them to be stickied. W/ sources of course." I post what I know to be true. Not everything in life is a freaking link. It is the culmination of knowledge that is understood. Besides, I'm not your bitch.
IamBaphomet: All that was not clear from you simply posting a URL. Without any reason, your link could only be taken as support for BeConfident's claims.
Regarding,"Denso is direct, Neom is Indirect." The world moved away from indirect codes years ago. In desperation, NEOM started "interpreting" their patents claims in ways that implied their patents covered direct codes as well. This is when they crossed the line and became patent trolls. Good night.
IamBaphomet: WRONG AGAIN. Do you guys even read the pages you point to? Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon are games on the DS. QR Code facilitates some aspect of game play on the locked down Nintendo DS. These games are not Pokemon GO. The Pokemon GO App on smartphones does NOT have a QR Code Reader - the web-connected App dynamically pulls in data and is commerce-enabled via the App Stores.
I already mentioned this anyway...
NO QR Codes exist throughout any aspect of Pokemom GO game-play or item purchase.
The Nintendo DS and Wii versions of Pokemon allow you to share Pokemon and Miis with yourself/other players via QR code scanning. These games provide no in-game purchase via QR Codes. This QR Code has been place for over 10 years. Nintendo has never worked with NEOM or licensed their patents for this use. NEOM did not invent QR Codes or the the myriad of other ways QR Codes can be used. NEOM invented suing people over using QR Codes in print advertising. DENSO Wave a Toyota company invented QR Codes. BUT none of this matters to shareholders anyway, as NEOM lost ALL their patents in default.
Be Confident: ...and just so it's clear. In App Purchases do not use or need OR Codes. It's more direct than that. You click on a button within the app and as examplein the case of iPhone pay instantly via Apple Pay.
Shortheidman: Where have you been. Since this press release, NEOM has lost ALL their patents to YA, after defaulting on their 43M dollar debt.
Be Confident: That page links to a page about Pokemon GOIn-App Purchases. The In App Purchases do not use QR Codes. The purchases found within this app and millions of others are the same standard payment methods provided by App Stores for years. This in app payment technology has nothing to do with NM, LLCs (formally NEOMs) patents. Accordingly, what is your point?
Pokemon GO DOES NOT as you claim utilize QR Codes, ""Suddenly, at the start of July we saw PokemonGo!! Pokemon
Go happens to be the single largest in-app gaming revenue generator EVER, and it utilizes...QR codes."
IamBaphomet: I watched the video. The video is not about Pokemon Go. The video does not show QR Codes in use. Not sure what your point is in sharing the video? ...good morning.
Be Confident: So what? The former NEOM patents, NOW NM, LLCs patents and companies are not involved with this effort. This has no impact on the worthless shares of NEOM shareholders, NM, LLCs value or anything else to do with the board about NEOM.
...OH and BTW you are wrong about, "Suddenly, at the start of July we saw PokemonGo!! PokemonGo happens to be the single largest in-app gaming revenue generator EVER, and it utilizes...QR codes."
Your first hand knowledge, in-depth research, and due diligence methods are severely lacking. Have you even played Pokemon Go?
Pokemon GO is the popular smartphone version in the Pokemon game franchise. I'm at level 26 in Pokemon GO. NO QR Codes exist throughout any aspect of Pokemom GO game-play or item purchase.
The Nintendo DS and Wii versions of Pokemon allow you to share Pokemon and Miis with yourself/other players via QR code scanning. These games provide no in-game purchase via QR Codes. This QR Code has been place for over 10 years. Nintendo has never worked with NEOM or licensed their patents for this use. NEOM did not invent QR Codes or the the myriad of other ways QR Codes can be used. NEOM invented suing people over using QR Codes in print advertising. DENSO Wave a Toyota company invented QR Codes. BUT none of this matters to shareholders anyway, as NEOM lost ALL their patents in default.
Be Confident: Regarding your statement,"I do not believe the clearinghouse patent was intended as part of the transaction."
It doesn't matter what you believe or don;t believe to be the intend of the transaction. The following are FACTS. NEOM lost ALL their patents in the default to YA. YA has assigned ALL the patents to NM, LLC. NEOM shareholders are not members of the private NM, LLC.
It is your thought processes that are irrational, your denial of what has occurred -- pathetic. Yeah, same goes for your pal Scania.
Be Confident: It's called sloppy and careless Web site updating by the new owners, NM, LLC. NM, LLC cares little about accuracy and former shareholders. NM, LLC (IMHO) only cares about trolling for revenue from targets with the patents they acquired for their members. Get over it.
Poptech: To be fair no one really knows where to draw the line in Alice when it comes to software patents and obviousness. The Supreme Court left that vague. Some believe that the intent of this concurrence by Circuit Judge Haldane Mayer was to prompt the Supreme Court to clarify their position. That being said, yes, doubt and lack of clear direction has impacted patents and their value.
pop: Thank you for taking the time to break this down.
Poptech: Read the actual assignment. It states a payment of 1.2M was paid to NEOM by NM, LLC. for the assets. Perhaps that was the "winning" bid after all. Barry Baer signed the document.
http://legacy-assignments.uspto.gov/assignments/assignment-pat-39622-662.pdf
Be Confident: Because as Poptech wrote, "As a PIPE, YA could not seize and hold assets so they created NM, LLC to limit that liability." One way of transferring the assets to a company of their own was to have their other company BUY the assets at auction.
The other method (which they actually used) was as Poptech uncovered, "NM, LLC received the asset free of cost as the recipient of security assignment in the default." Further he correctly stated, "Following the assignment filings, they saved a considerable sum of money and skipped YA ever receiving the patents. That means the assignments are improper. I am sure that YA would simply argue that NM, LLC is 100% owned and controlled by YA but they should have taken the proper step of assigning to YA and then to NM, LLC."
This all tends to imply that the barely publicized auction was 1.) all just a show or 2.) with lack of interest no one ponied the money they were looking for.
Links? Even with today's technology I can't provide a link that is capable of increasing someones IQ or curing them of insanity.
pop: Wow. Thank you for sharing your research. The barely publicized asset "auction" was closed to only those who ponied up a 50K refundable deposit to attend. Believing (how silly of me) YA was following proper legal steps -- I assumed that YA (as NM, LLC.) won the bid at their own auction for some nominal amount. I suspected that the amount really didn't matter though as whatever amount they bid to win, they would just be turning over to themselves. That's all moot because they did it the way you describe.
Be Confident: YA seized ALL NEOM assets, then YA-controlled NM, LLC acquired the assets at an auction as the highest bidder.
NEOM did NOT get to keep anything, they were 43M in default and ALL their assets were seized. That is fact and you are denying this. What is worse you are misleading the less informed.
Be Confident: Not a proper source? Are you kidding?
scania4: Your question makes no sense. Translation error?
PinkZombie: Understood. No worries. Thank you for that.
PinkZombie: Nothing I have written supports your statement. I'm simply calling it as I see it, correcting misinformation, and trying my best to snuff out the fantasy beliefs. I donlt know if laws were broken but i think it is safe that lines were crossed when it comes to ethical behavior.
scania4: This is meaningless. Give it up. NEOM is gone.