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buying a short postion right now is not that risky,as no kind of good news can come out to make it jump big, suck no options avil to hedge. I like to take short position as of now, short-term becasue a ton of bad news can come out anytime, only kind of good news that has any matter, is govt giving up control. Obv the rise in profits font mean nothing. Also this is not like other OTCBB stocks, theres no chance for a short squeeze.
yea, the only big movement, will be shorts and sell offs when imo the new lawsuits that were filed get thrown out again. I can see a little uptick when the time nears right before the ruleing as gamblers will be on it.
Can someone please explain this to me? someone told me Ihub paid people to post, and you have to contact and ADMIN. I did not belive him. I see that you have to pay 90 bucks for IRP.
So im assumeing you pay ihub, inreturn you get special rights on post, that would be considered spam by an ordinary poster. Who is paying the posters?? private people/ companies?
How long do you think till it hits $20. I took Bac in 2011 in the 6 range as it was an easy pick. I has my eye on it since the crash in 2008, and was pissed i did not buy, I got oout around 12 as i did not buy on much DD expect for any person should know the 6 was way under valued.
SORRY FOR MY LONG POST, WITH BAD GRAMMER, RUN ON SENTENCES, AND NO PARAGRAPHS. IM A NEWBIE AT POSTING.
a simple google look up, every article shows and proves that they are makeing billions.
The problem is avg person really doesnt even know what freddie/fannie really are.Most thought it was a govt thing anyway. these big hedge funds dont need to sue, the need lobbyist. Tell the whole country what our govt is doing. They are raiding profits of a public company. Even people who do not invest,and the people who just love to protest, as people are sick and tired of wrongdoing by the govt. We need people to Ocuppy washington DC. Right now to much other shit is going on. The Govt doesnt need a few billion every quarter, even though it might help, they can do without. They prob dont know how to give back control as things need to be handle perfect,as it would open them up to more headaches. so they say F it just push it to the side.
These lawsuits, are not for the govt to give up control, as they tech have the right becasue of what was agreed. They are sueing becasue the agreement was that fannie/freddie would pay them in payments as the govt is now a shareholder. The conservatorship gave them power, as they agreed all voteing shares will lose their votes. The profits are just being taken and not going to paying back the dividends they owe the govt. Those profits are property of a public company, and should be distributed, along with the govt. AS the govt as power they can take a bigger chunk, but takeing all and not even letting it go towards payback, is stealing. Which is why they sued under 5th amendment.
I could have explained that wrong, but thats how i take it as i read what is going on, and how it works.
are you a trading fannie or freddie? short term, long or both?
yea i read all what bill ACkman said, I use his %1000 percent returns line,as i agree. I started looking into to fannie and freddie about 2 months before Ackman came out with his opinions, and i follow and respect someone like bill, hes a fighter. I wish i shorted Herbalife, but obv i dont have money to cover those types of losses when he got squeezed. I was gonna buy some nake puts, but really had no idea what was going on. His jc penny pick, comes from not understaning clotheing industry, i wish i knew him, i would have told him hell no. Im 27 and understand clothing and what people my age and younger crowd want. Lets just say a teenage girl or guy doesnt look cool walking around the mall with a jc penny bag, Macys is still ok, but i have a feeling same direction, as now places like forever 21, and non brand name clothing is in fashionn for the avg middle class american. I know this is off topic but whatever. lol
Fannie mae/freddie macs profits never really suffered, the main problem was a liquidity problem. So they are making Billions in profit, but the govt is keeping it all. Which Im not a lawyer and is prob in small print somewhere that they can. The law suit by hedge are mainly saying the govt needs to share the profits, and pay those big dividinds to those more expensive stocks. i do not see it effecting this FNMA much.
IMO OPINON SHORT TERM, YOU CAN TRADE ON THE HYPE OF THESE LAWSUITS. BUY WHILE ITS BEING FILED, THEN RIGHT BEFORE IT MOST LIKEY GETS THROWN OUT AGAIN SUE, JUST LIKE A FEW MONTHS AGO. AS FOR LONG TERM, AS LONG AS YOU CAN COVER ANY TYPE OF MARGIN YOU DECIDE ON, OR WITHOUT A MARGIN ANY LOSS WILL JUST BE ON PAPER, AND YOU CAN RIDE IT OUT. THIS STOCK SINCE 2005-TO THE CRASH WAS A $50-$60 STOCK, AS OF WHAT HAPPENED AND PEOPLE WILL BE SKEPTICAL FOR MANY MANY MORE YEARS TO COME, THAT JUST BASED ON EARNIGS ITS A $30-$45 NO PROBLEM.
I read Bill ACKMAN hedge fund manger say he thinks %1000 return in the future is very good possiblity, and im fully on board with seeing 1000% plus return, of course im a nobody, but the profits speak for themselves, do not let idiot conspiracy theriost tell you that the houseing market is gonna crash in a couple years again, that is coming from the pissed off people who lost everything or never had, and only can complain. The only thing no one can predict is when the govt will release fannie and freddie, thats a conspiracy, LOL. The only thing that might get restructures are those other classes of stock which as in lowering intrest payments etc. Other then that no reason to touch these shares and there are already so many shares a little more diluation will still offer big returns for a purchase price of 2 bucks. Hedge funds are getting in. ONly reason others arent is becasue they can not wait and need to get instant returns. So this is more for someone with sitting cash in the bank that they do not need to touch for 5 plus years.
I can not see how this pick can be a loser for a long term investment. OBV the govt can do what they want, but I can not see them holding on for more, then 5 more years. The biggest reason they havent let go is there are to many other things to deal with, and there getting free money. The few billion every quarter, isnt really helping the national debt. They should however be giving some of the profits to those bond ,dividend shares that some retirees invested in for a nice return. It was a govt sponsored enterprise, meaning the govt vouched in good faith for them. They do not or did not back any losses,just vouched to let people know its a very good company, and will step if there any chance of going bankrupt. so that got trust to the people assuring those nice Dividend payments were in good hands. The fact of no regulation weather you agree with the govt regulating a free market, they kind of are responsible for wrongdoing, just as much as the greedy everyone, becasue it became of the addiction of the commisson bussiness. Dangerous loans equal higher commission, as the payoff in the end was more if loan ends up being good. Then with credit defult swaps, why not give anyone a loan,and buy a swap to cover. This is not the problem story of big Bizzz and CEO's greed, everyone took part. I was one of those 16 year olds wanna be loan officers in 2006, and it was a compnay of 500 plus, and they allowed anybody, as a 5 yearold can sell a loan. I refused to cold call, and obv people dont wanna give deals to a 16 year old when i pitched in person, but i closed a few deal for family friends,etc. I took part in telling my appraiser to up the vaule 100,000 grand on the house to refi or take out equity. Accounts were writing over letters for self employed poeple, who were not, etc… Banks were paying loan officers at brokerages 3 points on the backend, to sell adjustables, and the client never even knows. so alot of young first time home buyers were talked into 2/28 with promises they can refi in 2 years when they build up their credit,or they can save a little for two years. Also the loan officer will tell them he wont charge no points so they feel like they are getting a good deal,meanwhile he made 3% on backend. if they wanted the fix rate they get charged 3or 4 points on the front end and looks like it cost more. Fannie mae, freddie mac, and all banks had to turn there backs went it all went to far. Fannie and freddie besides being a for profit company, there purpose is to provide liquidity for banks and keep money flowing, if they stopped buying and cracked down, shit would have crashed anyway. Its the same thing as Bernie madoff, IMO of course, fred wilpon(mets owner), and other hedge funds that got scammed by maddoff deffentily found out much earlier, but kept there mouth shut becasue they needed those payments every year or whenever. THe US govt took care of the banks with just regular bail outs. some of the banks like did not even need a bail out, but govt forced all to take one, so it looks to the public it was equal. NOw fannie and freddie was not in as bad of shape as people thought. they still had tons of money, just not enough to continue as usual. The reason the govt decided to take over then just bail out, was becasue they want to show face, The Govt really should not be bailing out companys, but we are in a new world as these big companys,even auto industry keep the world turning. United States Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, stated that placing the two GSEs into conservatorship was a decision he fully supported, and that he advised "that conservatorship was the only form in which I would commit taxpayer money to the GSEs." THAT WAS A BULLSHIT LINE, AS HE CAN SAY THAT ONLY WAY I WOULD RISK TAX PAYER MONEY IS IF GOVT CAN CONTROL AND FIX THE PROBLE. THEY SAW FREE MONEY AND THIS WAS WORSE BECASUE OF TITLE, "government-sponsored enterprise.
""GSE securities carry no explicit government guarantee of creditworthiness,[8] but lenders grant them favorable interest rates, and the buyers of their securities offer them high prices. This is partly due to an "implicit guarantee" that the government would not allow such important institutions to fail or default on debt."" So they are useing the excuse, that need to baby and watch over, when really they just dont wanna deal with it or know how to deal with it as this never has happened. Plus they are getting free money.
I KNOW I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE, AND MY GRAMMER DOESNT HELP, BUT IF YOU UNDERSTAND FANNIE AND FREDDIE YOU SHOULD GET WHAT I AM SAYING.
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looking for peoples opinion on long term! Like how long till the govt relases control?
Any long term investors or only traders on this board??
CEO, BRENT WILLIS, IS a horrible CEO, Running this company into the ground. The same reason he could never make it working for a major company. CEO willis had to result into selling stock on the otcbb, to fund this worthless company. With CEO WILLIS's AllEged BACKROUND he should have many connections to raise funding, if he had a legit company.
IMO, I would call his whole alleged backround into Question, as IMO over exttrated. He claims he authored the Counter-Air Concept to change the role of Air Defense, which was later adopted as doctrine. NO records anywhere online about his name and anything to do with air defense. Let me mind you he only attained rank of Captain, which is automatic in about 4 years, With all these medals and postions he held, lets say he did 4 more for a total of 8, but someone of his caliber and medals most likey would have made major, also being a West point Grad, i cant see how he did all that without making major, and thats if he stayed more then 4 years. Captain is automatic in first 4 escpically for a WEst point GRADE. IMO FISHY. Ill be looking into he so called Doctrine, it can not be classified as he is posting that he wrote it. Only info you find is investing, otcbb, websites, with his bio written by him. CEO WILLIS IS SHADY. I have paid to get backroud info on all this. I have recieved some, but have to wait two weeks, till i can post.
IMO STAY AWAY FROM INVESTING IN ECIG, SELL AND GET OUT AND TAKE A LOSS IMO, OR HOLD ON, BUT DO NOT BUY ANY MORE, JUST BECAUSE ITS LOOKS CHEAPER.
ECIG claims to be the biggest in the world, which is a lie.
"Competition in the electronic cigarette market, could intensify as tobacco maker Reynolds American said Tuesday that it will boost production of its new e-cigarette", IMO,EcIG can not compete.
"Reynolds is confident enough of VUSE, its battery-powered device launched last year and rolled out nationally in June, that it's agreeing to sell the top U.S. e-cigarette brand — Blu eCigs — as part of its $27.4 billion purchase of rival Lorillard", IMO, blue cigs will dump ecig.
"MERGER: Reynolds-Lorillard in $27 billion deal",IMO thats a business, not EICG little mergers for nothing ecpect to dilute stock.
Lorillard will sell Blu eCigs, touted in sexy TV ads by actor Stephen Dorff and former Playboy model Jenny McCarthy, to Imperial Tobacco if its acquisition wins federal approval. It bought Bluin 2012 and says it had a 47% share of the U.S. electronic cigarette market last year. Imperial said it plans to use its "e-vapor know how" to "internationalize" the brand, they have 47% of market,"IMO ECIG has no shot when Reynolds is the second-largest U.S. tobacco company,and said it will ramp up VUSE's growth". It said the device grabbed two-thirds of e-cigarette volume in its Colorado test market this year. Electronic cigarettes heat a nicotine liquid into vapor that's inhaled or "vaped."
"Our objective is to become the vapor authority," Reynolds' CEO Susan Cameron told CNBC, Cameron said VUSE is "selling very quickly" and offers "superior technology," NOW IMO CEO CAMERON IS A REAL CEO, NOT BRENT WILLIS.
"Yet in a diffuse market, both newcomers are distant competitors so far to the only dominant brand — Blu, which accounts for about 40% of e-cigarettes sold in convenience stores. Blu's sales nearly doubled in the last year despite an 11% dip in the most recent four-week period tracked, according to Nielsen and Wells Fargo data, NO way ECig is the biggest". ALL INFO WAS FOUND FROM USATODAY JULY,2014
my last post? do you own this board? who am i harraseing?? you harrased me? unprovoked?
well i just sent my concern, if your so sure who cares right??? LOL
.Please keep your posts proper and in keeping with I-Hub rules
Sorry yes any topic goes, but you still must follow TOS.
i do not care if you care. I am reporting you to IHub this is no way a MOD should be talking on the fourm. me pettey and jaxson were going back n fourth, basically jokeing entertaiment. then you step in for no reason to come to his rescue LMAO.
Brent David Willis, IS a very shady person IMO.
CEO Brent David Willis, IS A HAS BEEN, NEVER WAS, WANNA BE, WHO COULD NOT MAKE IT IN THE REAL WORLD, SO HE HAD TO GIVE HIMSELF THE CEO TITLE, pushing stock on the otcbb.
CEO Brent David Willis, and his board are tearing this company down by cashing in thier warrents and dialuteing the stock. Then will turn and do a R/S, the stock will then drop again and investors will be left in the dust.
CEO Brent David Willis, big salary, should be in stock if he was so confident in this company, but why the hell would he want worthless stock DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
I wish CEO Brent David Willis would try and sue me for defamation!!!!!!! I would spend a ton of money to prove wrongdoing then hit him with the ANTI SLAPP, and make him pay every cent !!!! HAHAHAA
I also have gotten my package that i paid for the backround of CEO BRENT DAVID WILLIS, I only can post once a day, so in two weeks ill revel the SHADY INFO ON CEO BRENT DAVIS WILLIS.
I might even send this info the SEC.
I never made that investment . I told petey that fannie and freddie were 2 good otcbb stocks, that in 5years you can see 1000% return. which his reply was he makes that in a day off his penny stocks. But your not making 1000% on a $100,000 investment in a day nor 50,40,30,20,10 thousand in penny stocks, at the most 500 bucks.
i didnt do for long as 16 years unless you have connections cant make it, unless you wanna co call, obv. i dont bullshit. I was implying i know all about freddies and fannie since i was 16
Like i also said it was my parents friends. DUHHHHHHHHHHH
most 16 year olds were telemarkters, but as i had connections and knew about the industry i was my own boss. sorry but its the truth
no sorry i never made a call. i was a loan officer, not for a bank, for a broker.
Fannie and freddie are very profitable, no question in that, while under stricter regulation. Only problem is the FED gets all the profit for as long as they want, as terms of the bail out. They have to give it back sooner or later, but as they need money they will hold on. My only concern is buying on a big margin. The stock even though cheap, can still plummet 50% percent any time some kind of bad news pops up. With no margin ill sit on it for 5 years. I dont wanna invest $100,000 with a 50% margin and have to cover $50,000 cash everytime there is bad news.
the loan was closed in NY, and nope only the guy from bank of america me and my clients AKA my parents friends. I think i charged 2.5 points on a 1.8 million dollar refi. yea sounds about right. Ny you can be a loan officer at the age of 5, maybe not now after the subprime crisis. the banks were giving the loan officers 3 points on the backend, if you sold a 2/28.
ALSO that $100 Min bet is at a black jack table. Meaning the table min is a $100 bet you idiot. only penny pusher like you and pettey trade 100 bucks in the otcbb to make 2500% return. I make that amount on a 5% gain with my investment!
HHAHAAH " MISS you and love you my petty" I bet this is the most action petey gets ever> by a guy on ihub pretending to be a female. If you are a female, your deff not lady like, you C*NT.
im so hurt LMAO. you waste time attacking someone you dont know, LOL. I do not trade any penny stocks or would ever put a dime in one. I am also not a trader, I invest. DUHHHHHHHHH
i no fannie mae and freddie mac are the only two otcbb stocks id ever put money into, you idiot. they are only on the otcbb as there share price went from $50 to the otcbb. shut the hell up. the convo had nothing to do with you.
first off when i was 16 i was a loan officer, back in 2006, there were a million 16 year old loan officers as what brought us that bubble. DUHHHH, I was joking/argueing, with two people on here for fun, so you just wasted your lat few posts on nothing, you worthless piece of crap. Your probley an overweight smelly guy, who uses a namew floridagrl hahahaha
That was sarcasm idiot. but rememeber it says MIN $100. My AVG BET …. I dont wanna brag!!!! LOL
like i said you say the same story every broke mother F****er says. No one cares about ur sob story and you fended for ur self since u were 15. i never even brought any of that up. GOOD FOR YOU THOUGH. We are on stub hub talking about stock. regardless of where our money comes from, I make smart investments you do not. I play $100 min BLACK JACK at the Borgata, you play $5min Black jack at the TROPICANA. In the end no one gives a fuck, not you, not me, not our friends!
ooo i wonder y i never spend money on any friends and they still like me???? I have many friends who will do many many favors for me!!!! NO money needed!!!!! I have many friends with no money i have many friends with more money then ill prob ever have. IN the end though what does any of that mean. Will any true friend pay your mortgage, or buy your family food every week if shit goes down. maybe a couch for a week or two?? Friends past a certain age means nothing, sociable people only. I dont need a friend to talk my problems out too. I need a favor i have friends. other then that i dont give a shit who likes me or not. as long as my family is ok!!
yea penny stock for idiots. MY brother is an appraiser LMAO LMAO. MY mail man is an appraiser LMAO
at ur age you should know that, really in life, no one has real friends. Only family, but if you want friends its good to have money to buy them LMAO LMAO
who said i ever bought any friends. there you go twisting words. no i have many close friends, but money draws in a certin crowd who i do not use the word friend. there good for favors, and they dont ask for money as they have there own. some people like to hang out with a certin crowd. Not the loser who doesnt leave his house make 5000% return on 200 bucks posting about penny stocks all day!!
DO i know what fannie and freddie is LMAO LMAO, i learned about that when i was 16. I think i even closed a loan for my parents friend at the age of 16. lol i once had a job too you know
1. your an idiot,, Fannie Mae posted $5.3 billion in net income for the first quarter of 2014 and comprehensive income of $5.7 billion, the company’s ninth consecutive quarterly profit though a notable downturn from the $58.7 billion reported as net income in the year-ago period.
2. fannie and freddie are still 100% public, just no profits can go to share holders or bond holders.
3. FEd are just useing it as piggy bank, but will have to give it back!!