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that post is two years old... Way different company at this point..
I am fairly confident that we haven't had any news because there is no news.. The balance sheet shows we are hurting, but the filings last week do indicate to me that Vanis has something to say.. Lets hope it is tangible and not forward looking..
I have been trying to DD Athena and there is very little info out there. The questions you ask are good ones, and leave us again with a lot of room to speculate.
A few things stuck out to me while digging around:
1. Looking at their Twitter page someone meticulously retweeted Fizz, Avanzar,and all Minerco tweets in a chronological order making it look like Athena has been around for a long time, which it hasn't. Just seemed a little odd to me.
2. If something was really brewing with Athena, where is the website?
I am not saying that nothing is brewing here, but there is very little to go on. I do recall the last PR said they were looking at a few potential work horses, but they don't have one yet..
3. As for the NDA.. In a comparison reference REDG is under a NDA, but it is a signed public document.. Where is Minerco's proof? I speculate Vanis is blowing is horn again to buy himself some time.
4. News this year.. We have had very little.
- VitaminFIZZ arrives in London on July 7..
- Minerco's Level 5 Acquires Equity In VitaminFIZZ(R) on April 22..
So.. We have been in the Dark for the better part of 7 months.. Does this really sit all that well with you guys?
I am really hoping that some tangible news begins to flow out this week..
I was just asking him to share what he knows with us while we are in the dark..
Lets hope the good news begins to roll out this week!
Mitch, I only meant that if you have valuable DD that none us know, don't dangle it in front of us, just share what you know. This is what the message board is for, collaboration..
I am just putting things in perspective. I have never said the company was done, but perspective is good when this board offers a lot of unrealistic out comes..
I am excited about getting some news soon..
agreed.. All I can say is give me a break Mitch..
I just looked in my IRA where I had 78,500 shares..
Now I have 785 at a cost basis of $1.02, worth $66.72, and with a loss of $730.00 at -92%
I need a 1,200% run to break even..
The bulk of my shares are in a TDA account which hasn't updated yet, and has a better cost per share around .0072 under old share structure..
Ouch.. What a loss. Thankful I never bought millions of shares..
I wonder if Eco is code name for Eric Cousins. Is he in Connecticut?
They are filing these forms and trying to gain more ownership of Athena.. Lets hope they have something tangible behind all of this.
The anticipation of waiting on some news is tough..
Great post..
Troops,
I am sorry to all the loyal MINErs who have been offended and hurt by my strong and change in opinion of our company.
I don't mean harm, and only write these posts as a way for me to figure out what is truly going on here..
Unlike other posters, I am a reasonable and honest person, and will answer your concerns or criticism in a well thought out and honest way..
You guys are right, no one knows what it going to happen here, but the ones you guys have called bashers all year long seem to be the ones who were right. So far..
Maybe this R/S does mark a new era for the company and maybe it won't. I sincerely hope for all of our sakes that Vanis has something spectacular for those of us that have been here for the past few years. I hope he throws a pass which will help us to recoup loses..
My apologies, and Fingers crossed.
According to SS1 we are uplisting out of the OTC.. MINE isn't going to a dollar.. Why doesn't this board try being reasonable for once?
According to SS1 we are uplisting out of the OTC.. MINE isn't going to a dollar.. Why doesn't this board try being reasonable for once?
you're crazy.. That is almost a 2,000% move.. Very few stocks are 20 baggers.. Apple took a decade to move 1,000% and Minerco aint apple..
Anyone who doesn't know the R/S was what the company had to do, but is really bad for us loyal shareholders..
If the pps is resting at .05-.08... It will have to go to .80 plus just for me to break even. A very unlikely and unrealistic move of 1500%, or a 15 bagger.. Most likely won't happen..
open was at .13 and now at .08..
That is actually pretty funny.. Good thing I can laugh at this after I've lost 80% of my investment..
I agree.. I wish I saw this chart a year ago too..
I will have to see it to believe it.. I feel like THC brand ruins the credibility..
There is no money to be made in Marijuana Drinks...
If FIZZ doesn't make money the Herbal Collection doesn't stand a chance.. it is a joke and a carrot that Vanis just keeps dangling in front of you..
If VitaminFIZZ which is in 1000's of stores, bought buy people of any age, and still hasn't been profitable..
Then how will a THC drink which will only be sold in a 100 dispensaries tops, and to people only 21 and older who are in minimal states, how will that make money?
The answer is that it won't.. It is an absolute joke and ruins any credibility Minerco could have..
I am just calling it the way I see it... No denying that Vanis has disappeared this year and told us all a few whoppers..
At this point I need tangible evidence and not stories, pumps, wishful thinking or forward looking statements..
Vanis has to show me not try and convince me..
Seriously, while some of us are addressing the real concerns in a logical and realistic manner, there are still the fools talking non-sense..
- 'Tic-Toc'
- '.0012s up'
- '1500% run imminent'
= Non-Sense... and very misleading..
I think I agree.. I thought summer was going to be the time that Fizz would make its move, but we saw nothing from them.. NYC has fallen through the cracks, as well as Vegas, and we saw no advertising, no promotions since spring break, and things really seemed to slow down when Vanis was promising that things were going to 'pale in comparison..'
What this really suggests to me is that the company is really hurting, just like the Q illustrated.. It also reminds me that Vanis has done nothing but pump this year..
I am really curious what the 'work horse' is going to be.. They won't be able to purchase until they have the shares to pay for it with..
I have been trying to explain to this board for a long time that the ownership is so convoluted that it will make it almost impossible for Fizz to be profitable for Minerco..
No offense, but even though FIZZ is Vitamin fortified, it isn't healthy either.. Just another chemical concoction..
I agree, Fruitwater by Glaceau tastes pretty good too, much better than SparkICE.. The beverage isle is beyond saturated, and sales of fizz have proven this. The reason why Vanis and team need another 'work horse' product..
Kind of a good point.. Why put both 'request' and 'require in the PR.. If it was truly legit it would be definitely one or the other.
I thought your last message was well said, and wish you kept it up..
- I too have been bumping heads with SS1 and I don't understand why he can't address concerns, negativity, or legit questions in anyway. His responses almost seemed contrived, or programmed..
- Very few things in life are ever going to be 100% positive, and MINE definitely has its issues.
- This board is to engage in a discourse so that we can collectively figure things out, but anyone who goes against or questions SS1's pumping rhetoric is labeled a basher or a shorter. Which I will add is ridiculous to label me either.
- I too have SERIOUS doubts about the validity of the NDA. To tell your concerned shareholders over a personal email with a smiley face on it screams unprofessional, or faked..
- Once Vanis said they went into the emergency production run for a game changer, and then totally back pedaled on his last letter really was the fuel that began my doubts.
- Maybe he has something, but maybe he doesn't, but until there is a decent revenue stream this stock will continue to be flipped.
- At this point I'd love to get my $3,000 back, and I am truly sorry to those of you who bought millions of shares of this PINK SHEET...
That IS NOT a fact yet... That is no more fact than 10 Sku's of creamer on shelves before spring..
All we have are pumps and false promises.. Maybe Vanis has something, maybe he doesn't... I have to see it to believe it at this point.
SS1:
I have no malice.. I am an honest, intelligent person following a track record set forth by the CEO..You aren't big enough to admit that Vanis has told us a few whoppers this year? Come on now. I am at least being reasonable, where you telling Bryce and the gang that this thing was going to run 1500% is just unreasonable..
There is no denying that Vanis's track record this year leaves a lot of room for debate..
I have started to look at it like this.. I once had a girlfriend who would tell me things, but they eventually never panned out, and I almost always found that what she said was deceitful..
Vanis has been the same way this year..
1. The next few months will pale in comparison = BS
2. Vitamin Creamer will be in test markets by Spring = Lie
3. Our main focus will be to uplist to a major exchange = BS
4. Targeted Follow up in Florida = BS
5. Emergency production run to satisfy a game changing account = BS
We were in a no news period before the UK nonsense, and have since been left in the dark..
For all those that say current shareholders aren't wiped out by the R/S.. My break even will be .70... Do you know what the chances that this thing will go to $1.. Slim to none..
Frame of reference.. It took the once in a lifetime 'pot rush' of 2014 to send TRTC to $1... There may be another slight rush, but it will be way different than then.. Too many people got burned, too many articles have been written, and too many people learned a lesson for it to increase shitty tickers by 1,000%..
So when I calculate all the deceit that Vanis has pushed our way, it makes it VERY hard for me to believe him.. The most likely scenario is that he is just lying again..
Its been slow the better part of this year.. After UK news we haven't heard really anything except about the reverse split..
Anyone remember those PRs where Vanis said 10 SKU's of Vitamin Creamer (or So) would be on test market shelves by last Spring?
I also can't get over the 'emergency production run' to satisfy a game changing account statement which was announced months ago..
Does Athena have a website yet?
Very well said...
There is no denying that Vanis was extremely misleading this year..
I appreciate your view point Bryce.. I think in the early days I said A LOT of positive stuff, and it influenced many people to buy into MINE, and I have some responsibility for that..
An investment is great, and I used to think the same way, but back then there wasn't that much to go on. The company is hurting for money, and Vanis in a way disappeared a few months back. We have had very Minimal updates since long before the R/S split announcement, and it was quiet even before the UK deal..
The better part of this year so far, and the numbers aren't adding up with the promises. So obviously someone is going to start questioning the kool aid..
You say we get 40% of FIZZ profit? What worries me about that is this; conservatively speaking, 40% of each bottle priced at $1, is .40 cents.
a) maybe I am wrong on this, but there would need to be an insane amount of bottles produced to generate the kind of revenue Needed to attract investors, and to justify these insane valuations that many on this board believe in..
Can you at least admit that Vanis mislead us this year? That the things he says don't come to fruition?
Maybe there is a 'Work Horse' but I have to see it first to make a judgement..
I agree that FIZZ tastes great, and the company seemingly made tremendous strides within the first few months, but I also feel that they have hit a wall in the past few.
With so many similar brands, and with only .40 cents per bottle profit, and no advertising, I don't know where we could honestly expect to be..
I am also tired of the non sense on this board.. Charts, tic toc, .0012s up, Pumping, claims of 1500% runs, and all the other BS which in the end doesn't help us figure this thing out..
I am a reasonable person, and I am just trying to make sense of this mess.. Vanis's last few proposals leave me seriously doubting the validity of his claims..
I have no idea what you're trying to say..
I have around 500k shares with a pps of .007s.. So my new break even price will be roughly .70 after the reverse split, and that is a huge move from where the pps will be sitting.
I don't think they can do advertising because they don't have the money for it.
The social media has totally slowed down and its probably Scott or someone internal running it. You make a great point that it is ONLY investors that follow it, for the most part.
I think that the online sales to investors slowed down before the last Q too, but it is crawling now I am sure. In the day, some people were ordering pallets of that stuff, but who else but investors would spend their money on shipping costs when you can get a near identical brand at the local store..
As I have said before the early Miner's were a great asset to the company, and the silence from the company the past 4 months or so, and after reading the last Q, I have a feeling they aren't doing that well..
".0012s and .0013s up.."
People are just trading this thing like they always have and like they always will until there are massive revenues worthwhile to invest in...
#EnterRealityMINEBoard
Not to mention all the free publicity MINE shareholders gave the company in the beginning. They used all the pictures we took as their promotional content, and then there is the CRAZY amount of Fizz that shareholders have bought on Amazon.
There hasn't been any news since July, and that was about London, which we haven't heard anything else about..
The quarterly report was scary and eye opening, and the silence suggests that things aren't going that well as the numbers have shown..
I question what kind of lender is going to give a company that is already in debt, and losing money on their business model a loan?
There is no denying that the company has changed, and Vanis has been nothing short of Shady this entire year, lying that he has our best interests in mind.
Also, how convenient he can't say anything because of a NDA.. I have a feeling that is BS, just a way to buy some time...
Three months or more ago he said they had to go into an 'Emergency Production run' to satisfy a new game changing account..
a) We still haven't heard anything, yet the bottles were made months ago?
b) There most likely is no NDA, and Vanis is full of shi...
Any CEO who uses a smiley face in his interactions with shareholders is questionable..