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I think I agree.. I have been doing a little DD on Vanis today, and if you read the PRs from the Honduras days, they read very much like the ones from the Fizz days, and you know how Honduras played out..
Looks like he comes from a family that has money who can keep supporting his business ventures.. His brother is Craig Vanis, a Texas, Hip, chef whose parents most likely funded that venture too..
Stay tuned.. I gotta admit MINE is certainly high drama..
I concur as well..
I can't see it being much more.. I was really curious why they didn't promote it more over the summer..
I know MINErs got mad when I set the number of how many Bottles of Fizz have to be sold to generate the numbers being tossed around here, and I too would really like to know how many have been produced and sold thus far..
I may be wrong, but have they even produced over a Million bottles yet?
This is a big reason why I have become much more skeptical of this company, and after reading the last Q..
Lies, Pumps, Half Truths, etc...
* I am really looking forward to seeing a fresh set of numbers on the coming 10k..
Like I said before, when Vanis updates us next, if he has something tangible and concrete then great, but if it is more future looking statements then we know he was BS(ing) to buy himself some time..
In the words of SS1 'tic toc..'
SS1... Outside forces are not at work here.. Investors have lost confidence which is understandable since Scott Vanis has disappeared this year and left everyone in the dark, for what, the past 4-6 months?
Come on now, outside forces.. Why can't you be real with any of us?
I agree.. Most likely just a Smoke screen-illusion-pump-whatever you want to call it.. Vanis has found a way to make his money back, bottom line..
I still put Zero faith in Vanis's buys on the open market.. Its most likely an illusion.. He's made his money one way or another..
Post the Form 4 doc.
Other than the recorded message on the CC I can't recall him saying anything else..
I suppose I should be absolute:
Gary Smith has never said a peep and Ginsberg hasn't said anything since a recorded message on the CC..
This is your best post Bryce..
Not for a run or spike in price, but if you truly think this is going to make its way to the NASDAQ or NYSE, then a fair valuation which is reflected by the revenue of the company will very much be a FACT..
Lets hope you're right...
Whats to agree with? I am simply trying to illustrate just how many bottles it will take to generate $30 million in revenue..
Either you want to face reality or you want to disregard it and not do any critical thinking on the subject..
I am not saying it can't be done, but this is what it will take..
10's of millions of bottles...
$MINE on
Beau, when new numbers come out we can further assess where we are at..
In Vanis's own words, Fizz needs to be bailed out of a jam.. We will see, but the Avanzar numbers fell VERY SHORT of the last projections..
It is a best case scenario.. If Fizz is being sold for $1 per bottle you can adjust the number anyway you like..
Even if it was a 90% profit margin they would still have to sell 10's of millions of bottles to reach a fair valuation at $1 pps..
Not that hard to understand young jedi..
Best case scenario:
.60 Net Profit per bottle
Minus 10% to Owners
Minerco would have to sell 80 million Bottles to meet the valuation of $1 per share..
Get real Stock Scout.
SS1 it must be hard for you to put out DD when no one spoon feeds it to you anymore..
I wrote tremendous original DD on Ginsberg, Smith and others over a year ago..
Not one of them has said a word about VitaminFIZZ, and there are still tremendous obstacles no matter whose driving..
I don't think it is a scam, though I am sure Vanis has a scamming side to him, but this could just be a failed business attempt. I understand that it will take years to build a brand, but Minerco doesn't have the finances to last years..
If you want to be realistic and honest with this board you have to accept and understand a few things in perspective..
- RedBull was so successful because it was the first of its kind.
- SparklingIce was successful because it was the first of its kind..
VitaminFizz has a lot of challenges.. It is a new brand, there are at least 15-20 identical brands out there, many stores have already created their own 'in house' versions, and there are already brands being distributed by Coke and Pepsi..
No matter how good you think Fizz tastes, these are tremendous obstacles to over come..
Scam, no to maybe, but entering a beyond saturated space which will be very difficult to overcome, YES..
Vanis and Messina are in the mining industry.. It is going to be VERY DIFFICULT for an indebted company to compete against the likes of Coke and Pepsi...
Remember the math I taught you.. .60 Net Profit per bottle/ minus 10% to original owners/ = not enough Money...
They will have to produce and sell 10's of millions of bottles..
Does anyone know the exact amount of PRs, or info distributed to us by Vanis since May?
I think it is two PRs.. This is brutal... People usually go into hiding for a reason.
I agree.. SS1 you have marched people into 90% losses with your non-sense, and you still have the nerve to attach little smiley faces to your posts.. You should not only be embarrassed for yourself, but ashamed too..
I do think it is really interesting that Darin Ezra went from being included on the PRs, and being the 'Ceo' (his words) of VitaminFizz to being out.
I am curious if there was a falling out.. One thing of many that worrries me about this situation is what do Scott and Sam who come from the Mining Industry know about the beverage industry..?
SS1 will NEVER have a 'Normal' realistic conversation with you. Period..
I think the NYSE and NASDAQ pps minimum is $4...
I told you guys that Ezra was out after the last PR when his name wasn't next to Vanis's for the first time, and was replaced by Messina's..
With that being said, and after reviewing Ezra's videos I don't think he is all that amazing, but makes me wonder why he went from 'ceo' of the company to being out..
He did say in a tweet something like; 'How great the ceo finding' his Fizz at Walgreens, or something to that effect..
I don't expect the coming 10k to be good, and Vanis is going to have to clarify the relationship with Ezra, and I sincerely hope he has something tangible for us to help soften all these blows..
you know the majority on this board don't take the time to understand the filings.. That's why they don't know WTF we are talking about..
*Meant to be slightly humourous.. Take er easy Bryce..
That is exactly it.. Issuing shares is how they are going to continue.. They simply don't make enough money yet, and that 35 million OS will quickly bee 75 million..
The plus is that hopefully they keep building out the company, but using shares as money is the way this thing is going to grow..
Like I said, its all about the next update PR... If they have something concrete in place excellent, if it is more future looking statements we know Vanis was lying just to buy time..
dude.. My sentiments exactly.. The last Q showed that shares financed the company and I am positive that this is how the business will continue on..
The only plus is that they will hopefully build out the company a bit more, but a 'pop' is most likely all it will ever be for quite some time yet..
I have no idea why people are excited that the 'D' is coming off, and OTCQB status is just a pink sheet still that BIG MONEY still won't be able to touch..
I do want to see some new numbers so that I can further assess my understanding and outlook..
What I keep thinking is that people don't usually disappear when things are going really well..
No matter what the next PR will be the tell.. Either they have something concrete ready to go, but if Vanis makes more future statements then we will all know he was full of shi.. and just running his mouth.. I sincerely hope he doesn't wait til mid November to fill us in..
I hope you guys are right too.. Would love to make some money on this thing...
I hope you're right..
I am not sure I agree with you on that... If they can't be profitable in a small concentrated area, how will they ever be profitable on a large scale?
I am way too reasonable to sink that much into a penny stock.. I feel really bad for those who did buy millions tho..
post split... I always knew it was a penny stock so never bet the ranch..
He has nothing to report.. They went through all their money and were using shares to pay for everything as of the last Q.. It is obvious business as usual under the new share structure..
I've had ZERO confidence in adding any more shares since January.. 5,000 is enough for me..
I suspect we won't here from Vanished until after they report numbers again, which still aren't going to look good..
Says a lot that Vanished hasn't done any newsletters this year..
It is hard to say, and honesty is VERY hard to come by on this board.. There is no denying that CEO Scott Vanis has disappeared in 2015. I think there has been two updates since May:
1. That FIZZ is in UK
2. That there was going to be a R/S
Apparently FIZZ isn't making enough money, so Minerco has to eye a few potential 'Work Horse' products to help bail fizz out..
So... If you're realistic the track record isn't looking too good, and it seems Vanis has Vanished for a reason.
I do think FIZZ is an attractive product, but the market space it is trying to tap is BEYOND saturated, and if you get a calculator out and assume the best, you can understand why it isn't making money..
Example:
.60 Net Profit per bottle xs 1,000,000 (bottles) = $600,000.00 (peanuts)
*Minerco will have to sell 10's of millions of bottles to generate decent revenues..
Is there a 'work horse' in the works.. Who knows? Will it even help, who knows.. Vanis as Ezra claimed that Fizz was going to be the product that would do the 'heavy lifting' for them on the CC way back when..
THC Drink = joke.. If fizz is in 1000s of stores and isn't making money, how is a drink which can only be sold in 2-3 states, where they don't have distribution, where you have to be over 21, and only 100-500 stores MAX ever going to make money? #Realism
As more time passes and as more light shines through the cracks, and as Scott Vanis(hes) lies shine through my hopes for this thing are diminishing..
Fizz might taste great, but with at least 20 identical brands out there, it is going to be VERY hard to penetrate the market.. As we are seeing by the numbers..
I truly hope Vanis has something because I would love to get my money back.. I am at least 80-90% down..
In the end, SS1 and all the pumpers couldn't have been more wrong.. MINE is the new FITX of the OTC = sad..
Cup and handle chart on an OTC = Non-sense...
Time to get real SS1.. How about an elaborate, thoughtful, post in your own words discussing how you've mislead EVERYONE while MINE has done nothing but downtrend for 2 years?