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Well yeah... They are national already and distributed by Major Companies..
It is really sad that some of the MINErs are too stubborn and blind to admit that Spark ICE, FruitWATER, and Fizz are all nearly the same thing..
A flavored sparkling water that is zero calorie.. 'Near Identical..' Period.
In the end whether you want to turn a blind eye or not, or argue over semantics, they are all just flavored sparkling waters.. And when there are this many on the market, it is going to pose a problem..
Hence Fizz needing to be bailed out..
consider yourself lucky then man.. Most of us are 90% down..
Diet drinks made of chemicals like VitaminFIZZ I am sure are equally bad.. What is your point?
I don't know if I agree.. Drinking a chemical concoction can in no way be good for you.. That is why I would drink regular soda over diet..
The Identical Brands:
1. VitaICE
http://www.klarbrunn.com/vita-ice/
2. FruitWater by Glaceau and Coca-Cola
http://www.coca-colacompany.com/stories/glaceau-introduces-fruit-water/
3. Sparkling ICE
4. Walgreens NICE Brand
5. Super CHILL ICE
6. H2OH! by Pepsi
http://h2oh.com.br/
http://www.pepsico.com/Brands/BrandExplorer#better-for-you
7. Dasani Sparkling Water
http://www.dasani.com/dasani-sparkling/
http://www.dasani.com/
8. Cascade Ice
http://www.cascadeicewater.com/
9. Ice Mountain Sparkling
http://www.icemountainwater.com/
10. Fruit02
http://www.fruit2o.com/
11. Nestle La Croix Flavored Water
http://www.bevnet.com/news/2014/nestle-and-lacroix-debut-flavored-sparkling-waters
12. Nestle Pure Life Exotics Sparkling Water
http://www.nestle-purelife.us/products/exotics
13. Kirkland Sparkling Water
http://www.amazon.com/Kirkland-SignatureTM-Sparkling-Variety-24-pack/dp/B00KGX68Z2
14. Polar Frost Sparkling Water
http://drinkpolarfrost.com/
** Okay.. I think you get the picture. I did a simple 15 minute DD exploration and I had no trouble finding all of these 'near identical' brands, and I bet I can find 15 more.
Maybe some taste good, maybe some don't, and I can agree I like how VitaminFIZZ tastes, but I am not in denial, and I can admit that FruitWater tastes pretty good too..
The point is, that this market space is beyond crowded, and as you can see EVERY major company has already begun to throw their hat in this ring, as well as major retailers just making their own version of it..
The Kool-Aid Vanis poured seems to still be intoxicating some, but for me, I am based in logic and reality.. The above is a big reason why FIZZ needs a 'work horse' to bail it out..
is it? Because it is a chemical concoction.. Nothing else.. The UK versions had to have warning labels do to the ingredients.
you're fooling yourself brother.. They are all flavored, fizzy, sparkling waters..
Just because it has 100% Vitamin C, big deal.. Only a fool believes he's getting healthy by drinking a 'soda like' product..
Why would someone with 'big money' put it into a company in negative cash flow, and who is trying to promote a product that is competing against 15-20 identical brands, some of which are national, and distributed by Coke, Pepsi and the other big boys..
When FIZZ is $1.25, and sitting next to so many identical brands, how many is Minerco going to have to sell to get ahead... That's right, 10s of millions, and 'Big money' is aware of this..
It is not a surprise.. Investor confidence is long gone and the kool-aid is finally beginning to wear off for all..
I saw someone post below that we are being too impatient, and that it is going to grow slow, but what about honesty from CEO Vanis?
There is no denying that he has said far too many misleading things this year..
That is a red flag in my opinion, and the next update is the tell. If he has concret news of closed deals that will be great, but I am 75% sure he will give us future statements and more Vanis BS..
Anyone want to bet me?
Yes.. It is easy to see what Vanis has been doing all along.. In retrospect the writing on the wall is as clear as day.
Think about all the things he and Ezra trumpeted on the CC.. Vanis has been pumping, and that is what makes me think he's made his money on the stock price one way or another.. No matter what the illusion behind the 'Vanis Education Trust' is...
If MINE truly is going to uplist to NYSE one day there will certainly be another R/S..
There will have to be a fair valuation which reflects revenue, and the OS will be reduced to about 5 million outstanding shares..
See AMBS..
That is if, if being the key word.. An uplist to a major exchange is a long way off, Vanis had to know this, which makes me wonder why he trumpeted such news earlier this year...
There is a Brand known as 'VitaICE' which used to be 'ICE' and was on the market before SI, and also has the vitamins in it..
And honestly, only a fool would believe they are getting their Vitamins from drink like these. Come on now..
No matter how good Fizz is:
Coke has a version
Pepsi has a version
Dansani has a version
Walgreens has a version
and on and on and on with about 15-20 identical brands..
Fizz tastes good, but so does Galceau's FruitWater.. This market space is beyond crowded, and that is why Fizz needs a 'work horse' to bail it out..
When on the CC Vanis and Ezra told us Fizz was going to do the 'heavy lifting' to get their other products on the market..
I honestly can't wait to hear what BS Vanis throws our way on the update.. I am 75% positive that will be all he has for us.. More Bs..
I think he does have kids, but don't be fooled.. It is all slight of hand on his behalf..
Well written.. I can agree with that.
I am reaching out in an honest, logical, level headed way the past few months because I truly feel bad for all the DD I put out in the early days which inspired many to buy into MINE..
To all my friends and fellow MINERs I am truly sorry..
ps.. SS1 I promise you will never own up.. #MarkIt
haha.. so much for being up 15% today..
I can't wait to see what BS Vanis throws our way on the next update.. I am almost 75% positive that is what he will have, BS...
The more I reflect back the more I see how clear the writing on the wall has been..
The saddest thing is that Rotondo was the one who was right over a year ago..
"Tic Toc"
The coming update is the tell... If Vanis has something concrete, great, if it is more future looking statements then we know he was BSing us, and trying to buy time..
In the wise words of SS1; 'Tic Toc..'
I am using logic..
*Read about Jordan Belfort if you want to understand what these guys do.
yeah, lets short this stock when its almost at ZERO.. Give me a break.
What I am suggesting is he has someone who isn't affiliated with the company buying and selling shares off the books.. This is what OTC CEO's do..
Think about how much his buys played into all the Twitter hype back in the day.. Don't be fooled, Vanis has made his money back and the shares he buys with form 4s is nothing more than an illusion..
How do you know Vanis doesn't have some one buying and selling shares for him off the books and timed with his PRs?
If Vanis is so smart, he knows the pps action of his company and has made his money one way or the other, on the run we had during the pot rush, and the mini run we had in January..
Then he could just use the money he made and buy shares on the open market creating the illusion that he is in this with us..
All those shares he owns are most likely an illusion and or smoke screen..
Pepsico has a new Sparkling Water on the market under their 'Better for you umbrella.'
H2OH! is the new Pepsi Brand Sparkling water:
http://h2oh.com.br/
http://www.pepsico.com/Brands/BrandExplorer#better-for-you
Aquafina which is under Pepsi's 'good for you umbrella' has a version it is working on too.
Coca-Cola owns Glaceau which has Fruitwater on the market, and others to come..
glacéau fruitwater
glacéau smartwater
glacéau vitaminenergy
glacéau vitaminwater
glacéau vitaminwater zero
http://www.coca-colacompany.com/brands/all/
*This is why VitaminFIZZ is struggling. The market space is beyond crowded with 15-20 identical brands, and some are already distributed by the two biggest companies who have the money to burn and the channels open on a global scale..
No matter how good FIZZ is, this is a tremendous problem..
There are grammatical errors in the very first sentence..
1. Coke has FruitWater
2. Pepsi has the Aquifina brand..
you can write all the one sided articles you want.. Bottom line is that Vanis has to re-establish a positive track record..\
Lets hope he does..
The D coming off means absolutely nothing, and OTCQB is just another version of a pink sheet that real money still can't touch..
We need concrete news..
SS1 as of this year and last year this company damn well only has ONE product..
Everything else they've dangled in our face has never come to fruition.. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't..
As of right now and the past 15 months or more there is only ONE product, and they will have to produce 10's of millions of bottle to turn a decent profit..
He was 'eyeing a few potentials' a few months ago, and we haven't heard anything since... Probably a big tell..
One thing the short sighted posters on this board miss is this. People with money don't usually invest in a business that is failing, in negative cash flow territory, and who are trying to enter a BEYOND CROWDED market space.. No matter how good the product is, the chips are stacked against it, and real investors would and will be aware of this fact.
I think I concur with that.. Money ran out during the previous Q and I don't think Vanis was able to get it back on track for the coming update.. Good thing there isn't too much lower we can go.. One of my accounts is more than 90% down..
It is really sad, yet entertaining on this thing has played out.. Lesson learned..
I just saw on the Twitter that some were calling for Vanis to come out of 'hibernation' on June 24th, and it is now october 26th, 4 months have gone by, and how long was he hiding before June, just about the whole year..
I've been telling people this for the past year..
The influx of new money during the 'pot rush' mixed with all the Twitter hype during that time is what pushed many on these OTCs to those insane levels..
Those days are long gone..
The 100% ownership hasn't sold me yet.. As I keep trying to explain, they would have to produce and sell 20 million bottles to make $15,000,000...
That is a best case scenario, and I bet Minerco hasn't even produce 250,000 bottles at this point.
A big problem I see on this board is that people don't seem to understand what a big move 500-1,000% moves are.. 10 Baggers are rare..
Posters are telling you their story.. People have followed a track record and don't believe Vanis's 'Whoppers' anymore..
The Kool-aid, was powerful, but the effects are wearing off.. No one is trying to cheat or scam you posting their theory on the stock..
As you know, the 'negative' posters, or imo the realistic posters have been right all along..
The only ones truly scamming are Vanis and SS1..
The next update is the tell... If Vanis has something concrete then great, if he gives us more future looking statements, then we know he was lying just to buy himself some time..
The track record has been set, and hide and seek is almost over for him.. Lets see what he actually has now.
You really are right.. This was all said, and there is no wonder why many of us are having doubts.. More of a track record has been established, and I really think its the next update that will let us know just how much Vanis has or hasn't BS'ed us...
Took Lance Collins 6 years to get Fuze off the ground in SoCal.. I think Coca-Cola bought it, and its now on tap at Subway..
Avanzar currently distributes Lance Collins new beverage, Outlaw Energy.
No... But the way he conducts business in most likely the same... Read up on it Bryce.
I agree.. If there is one thing that I have learned in all my study, it is that critical thinking is absolutely essential for success..
JToews is right, this board is so opposed to anything that isn't cheerleading, and the moment someone posts a well thought out, and well written post containing critical thinking, many members of this board get worried..
I was a hardcore MINEr too, and I am still here, but I am critical.. There is a lot to be critical of at this point, and many things have been said, done, and many things don't add up..
Being critical is how you solve the problems for yourself.. I am tired of seeing all the cheerleading, wishy-washy, fairytales, and immature things posted on this board.
I am a MINEr, but I am honest, and I am going to call a spade and spade when I see it..
So.. Here is to hoping that something good is coming our way..