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I saw what I always see - natural ebbs and flows of a stock which, because of the very specific nature of it's value being tied to specific legal actions going on currently, does not get analyzed in the same way many stocks do. You see, for those who are playing the little numbers up and down and daytrading stocks, there are absolutely certain rules of thumb, signals and principles that one looks at. However, when one holds a stock for longterm gain, there are a totally different set of parameters that one uses to analyze.
I think, my friend, that we engage in different activities with this stock, in particular, therefore, your analysis has no weight in my perspective. Nor do you seem to understand mine - So there we have it. Agree to disagree.
Gee - get called away on actual business one day, and it seems that I missed an entire manufactured and made up VPLM emergency. Oh, woe is me, that I didn't panic sell, or get tempted to, only to find things return to homeostasis the very next morning. Patience IS, indeed, a virtue. And a level head is a blessing.
And Samsung is not off the table either...
That's ridiculous. Terms of share financing arrangements in a development stage company does not equate to how a company values its own shares - One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
I agree - 2020 may be the full ride of the lawsuit, but many things can, and I believe, will happen - quite shortly - to significantly alter the path. When the PTAB comes back, once again validating the patents, there are several defendants - or a coalition of any number, and or all of the defendants who could, and very likely will be looking at purchase or a master licensing agreement. With validated, and re-validated and enforceable patents, oh, wouldn't Amazon love to have this in their arsenal? I think so.
Yoo Hoo! It was quite difficult reading through all of these petitions, responses, together with the Final Written Decision, and also the PTAB Board's ruling, which allowed a very narrow reconsideration of very specific points, if it could be shown that the replacement board failed to apprehend, or consider some of the testimony.
These are very technical briefs, and hard to read. However, with effort, even a layperson can get through, and track whether the burden of proof was satisfied in this case.
In my opinion, and I feel confident now that PTAB should agree, Apple failed to demonstrate where the 2nd panel overlooked anything. Rather, they continually harp upon the same argument, again and again, and even, in their final response, literally demonstrate the opposite of their contention, that the 2nd panel didn't understand what the first panel had understood and considered. The 2nd panel most definitely did, in fact, have a full measure of all of the testimony and facts before them when they made their final ruling. And they also had new, additional information that the first panel had not yet received. So why would it be so surprising to Apple that the second panel may have an enhanced understanding of a technical matter, after also receiving the benefit of testimony that the first panel lacked... They disagree with Apple, and very clearly, Apple still doesn't understand why. That's sour grapes, not a valid basis for a full rehearing of the case.
Apple attempts, throughout this process to mischaracterize the information previously submitted, and already ruled upon, and also continually attempts (especially in the final response) to enter brand new arguments (not allowed), to support their position.
The Ruling very clearly states that this is not a "do over". No new arguments were to be made here, outside of the context of the full hearing process. Nice Try Apple.
Very well said. Today, Apple's final 10 page response is due. Should be another embarrassingly poorly written bit of nonsense. Apple has had 17 months of proceedings, and another 20 pages to make its argument with every legal resource that money can buy, and has miserably failed to impress the PTAB. This will be fun
It isn't finished. The stock is dropping because a relative handful of people own it, and are aware of it - and an even smaller handful of people trade it for teensy incremental profits regularly. Most of the holders of the stock simply hold it.
Therefore any attempts at manipulation have an unnatural effect on the daily stock price.
Todays PPS has nothing to do with what will happen once 1. PTAB shuts down Apple's last-ditch effort to invalidate the patents, which seems obvious to those who have read both papers - several high-level IP attorneys have weighed in on this -
2. That result begins to affect the trial, which is just now starting
3. An announcement is made indicating status of licensing and/or buyout
4. Developments during the trial indicate that things are going badly, (for the defendants) or one or more of the defendants begins to waiver and not play nicely with the others...
I predict we will see far more outside interest in the stock, necessitating upward PPS along the way, with various spikes and valleys, and then a significant increase upon announcement of a major event.
Actually, no, it isn't. As PPS measures the current investor confidence in an undertaking, one must measure also the effects of any necessary share structure changes, whether they be stock splits, or A/S expansion activities. Factoring in what was necessary to expand the A/S, the current PPS demonstrates that investor confidence in this company is actually significantly higher than June 2018.
Trolls, eh? I suppose, as they say - it takes one to know one....
It would be wonderful if before posting one might look up the definitions of the words used. A "Patent Troll" is a non-practicing entity who goes around purchasing patents simply to assert them in lawsuits. Nothing could be further from the truth here, if you ACTUALLY do your due diligence. Malak was involved, intimately, with the development of this technology from its earliest days. The "shell" company which was used for financing and legal purposes was originally American Casting. As is common in the market, companies will often use a company with filings etc. already completed in order to proceed with an undertaking more expediently. When we see "Patent Trolls" out there, you will see a variety of patents being pursued on many fronts. The entire focus of Voip-pal over the long history of its existence and the various iterations of progress has been singular: Perfect and monetize THIS particular, individual patent suite. Therefore, my friend, you are mistaken in calling it a "patent troll".
"The Patents are worth Jack" --
Love it! Let's see, we have Amazon - worlds largest company, Apple, worlds largest tech company...Verizon, At&T, Twitter...hmm - oh yeah the comglomerate of Unified Patents who all have invested amazing amounts of money on attorney fees desperately fighting to invalidate patents that "are worth Jack".
That might be the funniest thing I've heard all week!
My pleasure. I can also add that I have had both the filings of Apple, and Voip-Pal's response reviewed in whole by a very trusted advisor who has regularly practiced before PTAB. Apple is in trouble. And the response by Kevin Malek, is, in fact, brilliant. Good Luck to All!
Found it! Thanks for posting - here's the message where Apple's request for rehearing was posted here - Can this, and also the post with Voip-Pal's response to this nonsense which was filed yesterday be made a sticky?
Not myself - but I may be able to get access through my attorney
Thanks! I'm trying to put my fingers, quickly, on the Apple request for rehearing as filed January 8th 2019 - It doesn't seem to be on the Voip-Pal website, and I'm away from my office computer where I have a copy stored - Anyone have a quick link to that filing, or the message where it was shared here? Thanks in advance!
"When you are a hammer, everything is a nail" - a quote that applies here. Again, there are legitimate reasons for the distributions, and they will be explained to all shareholders at a future date, when the information can become public without harming the current process. When that revelation takes place, if you are unhappy - assuming that you are, actually a stockholder, and not just a disinterested party, then you, my friend, will have the opportunity to seek damages and enforcement through the Securities and Exchange Commission. Until that day comes, you are welcome to your opinion. Mine differs.
You misunderstand me. As I sit here today, speaking with a top level IP attorney who is currently reading through all of the papers, I am receiving advice and insight. Others do this too. Virtually any institutional investor who becomes aware of this case, as it progresses will do the same. And this affects the broader market, removing this stock from the extremely limited pool of the current investors. The courts are taking this seriously, the PTAB is taking this seriously. It is a matter of time now until institutional investors will understand that this is no longer some "pie in the sky" frivolous matter. It's all there. watch.
Yes, it was corrected the other day. Perhaps Rich should look into how OTC is picking up this information incorrectly. It's aggravating to have to do it again and again, if the glitch is on the side of their data translation. I know from working with real estate MLS data aggregators, there can be problems in meshing two data sources together neatly, which leads to the incorrect fields being displayed. Perhaps that is what has been happening here?
Curious...do you know why "insiders" are inside? Do you believe that it is simply because they are friends with somebody and good fortune has smiled upon them in some way? When people throw around terms, used in a derogatory way, such as "insiders"...there is a lot of innuendo and negative connotation associated with it. An insider isn't a dirty thing, it simply means that someone is privy, for reason of operation, to details of non-public information, the disclosure, or trading action upon which could open the individual up to serious penalties and incarceration.
The BOD knows - certainly THIS BOD knows (read resumes please), that at some point, virtually every single distribution of share based compensation, share-based settlement of debt conversion, option issued and exercised for exchange of value is subject to SEC scrutiny, and civil and/or criminal penalties for improprieties.
Also, as others have pointed out, issued shares for in-kind services or debt converstions that don't result in the monetization of this company might as well be monopoly money that one can use to wallpaper their daughter's dollhouse... they would be worthless and all of this a waste of time. So that doesn't read as logical.
So, when I read your post and you talk about "insiders" I don't see this dirty little scheming group of criminals huddled in a corner whispering about how to deprive the shareholders of wealth. Instead, I refer to my understanding of how things are actually proceeding...above. GLTU
Very interesting and not dissimilar to the type of industrial espionage that I believe took place with the development of these patents in the early days, as the original patent suite authors were lured to other companies:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-settles-with-valencell-212222844.html
No, it isn't a verifiable fact, and I have read the filings. Perhaps you should read them with an expert sitting next to you, and a grasp of understanding of ten years, plus of filings from this board, how the company historically functions, and where, historically, those choices, and paths of share financing have led it. I understand, because I have watched and read every single financial statement for 10 years, and have watched the progress associated with what might have seemed to be questionable financing at the time, and later was revealed to have been part of a plan that came to fruition, and moved the ball forward .... to where we stand today - on the precipice of what might be considered, years from now, the single most significant battle of david vs goliath that the tech industry has witnessed. Stay tuned my friend.
Read the footnotes in the financials. This was housekeeping, prior to a major event. Shares issued recently were largely due to settlements of transactions and agreements in prior years, and options exercised. It wasn't some kind of random share issuance party. Be serious. The company is preparing for the final battle, and issuing the armor needed to win it.
Yes - precisely - and Emil Malak actually said as much in a conference call a while back, before the litigation began in earnest. He said, outright, what it would have taken to buy this company. But the arrogant Apples of the world didn't listen. They were actually shocked beyond measure when the PTAB gave a clean sweep to Voip-pal. Now they are fully invested in this fight and mean to see it through. Their plan now is to stall as long as possible, though damages are mounting, they are hoping for a bright spot of error in battle - something unforeseen - to give them the advantage. That window is closing fast. I believe we will see settlement from them - or barring that - for them to be surprised AGAIN, when other companies decide to step in and take advantage of the patent suite, now proven, before they do.
No - dilution has not been accelerating - that's what many fail to understand. The A/S and issued shares has been corrected for the reality of the finalization of this fight, purposely, so that the PTAB and litigation in place could be accounted for and take place in order to monetize this. It was housekeeping, in a specific plan laid out by the BOD who knows what is ahead of us, and what it is going to take to finish it. Can there be further adjustments? It's possible, but it isn't a snowball - they have a pretty good idea of who they are talking to, what will be needed, and the share structure adjustment is equivalent to the military authorizing a certain budget and supply of arms prior to engagement. Some of it won't get used, and will be returned to the armory - but its better to have more bullets than you need, than not enough to finish the battle.
Yes! At last we have a court calendar. There will be hearings and deadlines all along the way. Trust me, there will be stock movement all along the way as experts weigh in - and settlement talks happening when the early volleys don't pan out for the defendents. When PTAB makes its ruling on the papers just filed - and they will - this is procedural now - and a specific response to something the COURT asked, not the court responding to some pie in the sky appeal from either of the litigants.. the stock will move significantly. This is getting VERY exciting!
There are consequences in life for whatever we do. Again, I recommend the reading of those statutes and information. Knowing what your rights are, and what the consequences of SEC enforcement are will give you the best inner guide to determine your own particular path of investment. It is up to you, as an investor to weigh the risks. Just as it is up to you as a homeowner to decide when to lock your doors, or as any human to go outside. Certainly there are those amongst us who will risk incarceration for breaking the laws...but I, for one, don't huddle in a dark corner of my room with a shotgun daily, in case one decides to target me - GLTU
I think the Board of Directors is going to behave according to the rules of the SEC and not risk seizure and jail time. There are great arcticles on the website of the Securities and Exchange Commission - great reading if you have the time to educate yourself on the matters - GLTU
BRAVO - Barrister Malek - Bravo.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it Apple -
Yes Sir - We are READY to soar. Most of the work is already done, it's like December 22nd, your letters to Santa are written - and you've been A GOOD BOY all year long!!!
Thanks DS!
Apparently you didn't read the post. I said where they came from, they were movements based on actual progress and activity. I'm not inclined to repeat myself for those who aren't inclined to read the first time. Sorry.
Yes - and it's very interesting when you look at historic highs together with the applicable A/S. Back in 2014, when the stock hit .25 the highest, and absolutely unsustainable level, the A/S was approx: 1,021,000,000. Due to the need to continually finance this operation to make it to this point where we are sitting on verge of monetization, internationally - the A/S is now almost 3 times that amount. This means the equivalent share price today, as it reflects the consumer confidence with the ongoing level of belief in this venture, at todays price of .07, it equates to roughly .20 cents. Now, bear with me - we're at a recent low, with great expectations of increase and reason to believe so in the next 5-6 months. To be clear, we're at a low level, that has been corrected for the added shares.
Now, understanding the average daily value back then was more in the .02 range as it ebbed and flowed, todays equivalent confidence factor, with the current a/s factored in, means that the long term investors are currently 10x more certain and confident in this company than they were back then. That's a lot of confidence. At the height of this stock, a little over a year ago when it hit .45 at an a/s of 1.3bil +/- , being at .07 today is the equivalent -confidence-wise - of still being at roughly .14 today. So confidence has remained strong amongst investors, as the stock experiences normal fluctuations driven by MM's who profit off creating swings, and represents an exceptional upside to come.
Hear hear - Well said! "If this isn't enough to get you to invest .07 - I'm not sure what would be" - Love IT. Kinda says it all.
You are wrong because your position comes from an assumption that those receiving shares are simply greedy insiders doing nothing for them. There are volumes, and volumes of filings, legal work, navigation of strategies, attempts at marketing this proposition, educating, proving, informing potential investors, overcoming everything the big players like Apple, Verizon, etc. can throw at Voip-pal - none of that work is done automatically and certainly not because there are a bunch of greedy insiders simply counting their free money and shares all day. Share structure financing is commonplace and a legitimate form of fundraising for a development stage company such as this one. Shares are issued for all sorts of reasons - here's a few: Personal money loaned to the company against future shares, paid out at an pre-set share rate. Stock options issued which can be exercised at a future date for consideration of labor without salary.
IMHO the fact that these options are being exercised enmasse at this moment in time tells me that the board anticipates a win and a substantial increase in share value in the near future, and therefore are securing the exercise of their options while they still have the opportunity before the structure of a buy out nullifies that possibility. The fact that the shares are issued/options exercised does not mean they are trading. The share volume here does not support that theory - it's simply not happening. Those who have been issued shares are not in need of penny-ante trades - and that's all we've actually seen on volume. The rest - the fear based projections that all of those issued/exercised shares and options are being dumped is simply that - unbased fears, not supported by market evidence.
A Few Historical Significant Trading Dates: December 14, 2017 open .27 days close: .36, rose to .45 on Dec 15, 2017
run likely caused by shift into small cap status
Note: price eventually lowered upon announcement that Apple was going to challenge the IPRs, and a certainty that, therefore, a settlement was not eminent, investors moved money elsewhere, assuming that they could buy back in later with significant opportunities to do so.
December 5, 2017 Open .11 days high: .19 climbed by Dec 13 to a high of .27
Caused by updates of lawsuits, and announcement revising damage claims upwards as investors absorbed the significance of the clean sweep of IPRs. Price continued to rise incrementally and gradually until significant announcement on Dec 14th.
Nov 20, 2017: Open .03 shot up to high: .08 and gradually rose to .14 in following weeks, bouncing in the .12 avg range until the Dec. 5th event
This was caused by rumors, verified on Nov 21 announcement of the IPR Clean Sweep
Sept 23, 2014 Open: .19 high .25 caused by announcement that Southbank had been retained to seek out buyers to monetize the patents - additional patents added recently...etc.
You see, for the longs, there has been a logical, forward moving momentum of a tale of a company that has adventured forth, and had its fair share of setbacks, surprises, revelations, discoveries, new acquisitions and good news. This is the nature of a development stage company. If there had been any stock sold watching the ins and outs of little Billy Gates messing around in his garage, I'm fairly certain there would have been any number of comments about what a scam - what a waste of time! What a worthless venture! Nothing will ever come of this!! - Get my point? Invest or don't invest. Doesn't matter to me - but for all of the new interest, and new voices - I thought that I might add some historical context for your consideration.
O/S has increased during this process, as has been necessary - as many like to point out, this company has yet to make an income. Share financing, and having those who believe in the company enough to invest significant amounts of time, energy and their own private money in exchange for an equitable share exchange, attractive enough make the high risk worthwhile is a valid form of financing the legal, technical and administrative necessities. If that share structure results in the sale or licensing income (monetization) of these patents, many here - many longs - will be big winners. That is what we are betting on. You must choose your own investment risk profile. I choose this, because I understand the history, and have watched the logical progression. With all of this knowledge, good AND bad, I choose to stay, and increase my position.
A good site to start with to begin your due dilligence:
http://conferencecalltranscripts.org/?co=VPLM
You can also search messages around the dates above by searching this board using historical message numbers and finding the conversations and posts around those dates.
Good luck to you -
I have all sorts of investments with companies who show heavy revenue and profits. I pay $145 a share, and will all that investment, maybe I'll get up to $152 - woo hoo!!! Now I can buy a cup of coffee! OR.. I invested that same $145 into my .03 shares of VPLM - I sold those 4833 shares at .22 along the way - $1063 off a $145 investment. Now, I could've chosen to buy that single share at $145 - but it would have cost me $918 to have the comfort and security of "revenue and profit" on the stock's balance sheet.
Personally, I can buy a whole lot of comfort for a thousand bucks. JMHO
Oh, oh --- I know this one: It doesn't matter what you believe. Nor does it matter if you think anyone else is "stupid" for believing it. What matters is the technicals regarding the patents, and the clear and compelling evidence that the "bigs" like Apple, et al are spending enormous amounts of money trying desperately to invalidate them. There is no need to spend money to invalidate something not required or valueless - what would there be to gain? Hmmm... Invest or not - your choice. BTW - .45 run was only the latest high - there were others before it along the way, and each of them, as this as progressed, have gotten higher each time. That's kind of how it works with development stage propositions - Look at the 10 year chart. We're fine, and getting better daily. JMHO
LMAO. Oh Nostradamus, so grateful to be sitting at your great tutelage. My 300% gains+ on original investment - realized, taken out, and playing with "house money" now, notwithstanding, as this must - SURELY - must be some scammy part of the inner circle of P&D schemes, and not available to the average investor.... Oh, please, do tell us how this is a worthless venture where there is no chance of making any money whatsoever. I'm waiting with wrapt attention, desiring your golden knowledge -
That's where you are wrong. I've read the filings too. There is always more than meets the eye - and information between the lines that is never disclosed. It's a matter of experience to be able to decipher the information. So we disagree. Not surprising.