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NYC,
I may have said this before. When we react to Ola or whoever, we are giving him exactly what he was trying to do. To get in ppissing matches with him (them) only waste time and bandwidth.
What it does show is what hypocrits these posters who say they support the 1st. and free speech are, then go on someones free message cite and see just how much abuse they can get away with before someone locks them out. This, they say, they do for 'freedom'. What a crock! Just look at track records.
It's real apparent who is (are) the asssholes and who aren't, so why engage them and give them their satisfaction? I should hope lessons have been learned about sharing real names and addresses with other less than honorable posters. You and Pre have mine and I trust you guys. Perhaps a few others at RB, back when I was stupid, but I found out it's really quite easy to run a person down if you want. Internet provides a little TOO MUCH information if you know how and where to look.
Right now, the only place I'm going is Prescott for a couple weeks for the walk-thru, closing, and getting things started at Casa de Steeragemate.
BTW, I think it would be cool if you did move to Sedona. Maybe 40-50 miles away! Much more wholesome environment for l'il bkr to grow up in.
Matey
10-4 boggs...
We may disagree on some issues, but are 100% on this one.
For those who profess total support of the 1st Amendment, it is they (he?) who are doing the most to have it destroyed like the rest of the Bill of Rights.
Lack of self control and abuse makes ripe the will of the people to cut out the disease. Unfortunately, it ALWAYS ends up diminishing the whole and we all lose. No one takes our rights, we give them away.
Matey
Whoever wrote this.....
"Matey I'm sure Matt's thankful for the information in your private e-mail on Hab. I believe he's going to take legal action, think Hab will be able to take time off work at Lucent to fight charges of hacking internet sites?"
I don't work this way and never have. This is a goddam message board and if I don't like what's going on, there are many many other places to enjoy. Besides, I've been so busy with selling my house and getting ready for my move, I really don't read much of any board.
TheRealMate
Another gun law suit....
Federal Judge OKs Gun Show Suit Against Los Angeles County
by Dave Workman
Senior Editor
A federal district court judge in Los Angeles has denied a motion by attorneys for Los Angeles County to postpone prosecution of a civil lawsuit brought against the county and unidentified members of the board of supervisors by Great Western Shows Inc. (GWS).
GWS has operated huge gun shows at the Los Angeles County Fairgrounds in Pomona for several years, but the county has allegedly attempted to stop that by making a “secret deal” with fairground management to keep the gun show out, in exchange for $2.7 million. That’s the amount of estimated lost revenue over a six-year period, from parking fees and concessions if the gun shows were to continue operating.
“Denial of the motion means the claims for punitive damages against the supervisors raised by GWS…will proceed toward trial and the county will be forced to provide GWS with documentation of its actions,” said attorney Chuck Michel, a spokesperson for the California Rifle and Pistol Association, who has been following this case.
It’s the second legal action taken by GWS, which seeks punitive damages over passage of an ordinance banning gun shows at the fairgrounds. GWS is operated by Karl Amelang.
Michel told Gun Week that Judge Morrow’s decision paves the way for GWS to gain access to all documents that could show proof that the board of supervisors interfered with contracts between the fairgrounds and the gun show operator. He said gun show fans throughout California are watching this case closely, though the news media have virtually ignored it.
“They’ve tried to ban gun shows in California for years,” Michel said. “The first thing they tried to do was get the managers of county or state property where a gun show was held…to stick a clause in their contract that they wouldn’t allow gun shows. The 9th Circuit Court said counties can’t stick that clause in a contract because a gun show is a form of free speech.”
Michel said that did not stop anti-gun politicians, however.
“As a result of that (federal) decision,” he recalled, “they went back to the drawing board, and decided to make it illegal to sell guns on county property.”
Michel said GWS alleges that the county met secretly with the Los Angeles County Fair Association to “cut a deal” in which the fairgrounds management agreed to not allow the gun shows in return for the $2.7 million payment.
This is where, Michel asserted, Los Angeles County and the three supervisors ran afoul of the 1997 court decision. In that case, the Circuit Court held that such modifications of a lease contract to prohibit a gun show are an unconstitutional violation of the promoter’s First Amendment rights.
The original GWS lawsuit was filed after the county passed an ordinance prohibiting the sale of guns on county-owned property. The ordinance was designed as an “end-run” around the 1997 decision. The 9th Circuit has referred that lawsuit to the California Supreme Court, where a decision is pending.
In a press release, Amelang stated, “This entire situation was orchestrated by one supervisor, Zev Yaroslavsky, to further his political ambitions. He attacked a law-abiding business that has been at the fairgrounds for 22 years without ever having had a serious incident take place. In fact, after the Los Angeles County Fair itself, the Great Western Show was the most profitable event produced at the Fairgrounds, adding $600,000 annually to the Fair Association’s bottom line and more than $8 million to the small businesses and workers in Pomona and surrounding communities.”
GWS has relocated its gun shows to Las Vegas while the legal actions are pending.
http://www.gunweek.com/0320issue/lasuit0320.html
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My son and I worked this show the three times a year it was at Pomona for many years. It was also the main source of revenue for the L.A. County Fairgrounds.
Well, now you don't know WHO
the hell is posting to who. Guess I'll ramble on back to RB camp. I pretty much know who is and isn't who.
Sorry NYC (I think)
Matey (I think)
The nation awakes....
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/24
/MN209629.DTL
Rampages Elicit Little Outcry For Gun Control
John Wildermuth, Chronicle Political Writer Saturday, March 24, 2001
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Two years after the bloody rampage at Columbine High School spurred a
package of gun control measures, even some of the staunchest anti-gun
advocates are backing away from fights they don't believe they can win.
"There just (isn't) a whole lot of outrage," said Desmond Riley of the
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. "I'm worried that people are seeing this as
just part of living in America."
Riley and others say the shooting Thursday at Granite Hills High School in
El Cajon and the carnage earlier this month at Santana High School in Santee
have sparked little of the anti-gun sentiment that accompanied the 1999
slaying of 15 people on the Columbine campus in Colorado.
Then, President Bill Clinton quickly put together a package of gun-control
measures.
"Don't allow the victims at Columbine to have died in vain," he said, urging
passage of the measures.
Now, the tone has changed. President Bush believes that the underlying
problem in the rash of school shootings is character, not firepower.
In the Santana High shooting, a troubled 15-year-old is accused of using his
father's handgun to kill two classmates and wound 13 other people. The
shooting, Bush said, was "a disgraceful act of cowardice," but he declined
to offer any policy suggestions about how to stop the violence.
"All adults in society can teach children right from wrong, can explain . .
. that life is precious," Bush said.
With no encouragement from the White House and the Republican-controlled
Congress, anti-gun activists fear that their movement has stalled.
Jim and Sarah Brady's group, Handgun Control Inc., is one of the nation's
best-known gun-control groups. After the Santee shootings, Sarah Brady was
one of the first to suggest that Bush's statement didn't go far enough.
While it's important to teach children morals and values, she said, "the
most immediate way to make sure these shootings don't happen . . . is to
prevent children from having access to guns."
But come June, the group is changing its name. The new, as yet unreleased
title is expected to be less confrontational than "handgun control." While
the group's leaders say the new name will honor the Bradys and recognize the
organization's widening gun-control mission, others have suggested that the
current name was too strident for the changing political climate.
MILLION MOM MARCH
Last Mother's Day, more than 100,000 people turned out in Washington, D.C.,
for the Million Mom March for gun control. The organization spawned by the
march was touted as a grassroots group that would lobby for gun control,
much as the National Rifle Association fights for gun owners.
Earlier this month, the group fired 30 of its 35 employees and suspended
plans to open new chapters in what its backers called a restructuring.
"We still have 230 chapters in 46 states, and the grassroots are alive and
well," said Mary Leigh Blek of Orange County, the foundation's president.
"It's not that we're discouraged, but we're trying to see how best to serve
those chapters."
Most telling of all, however, has been the way many Democrats have sidled
away from strong gun-control stands. Many Democrats believe that Vice
President Al Gore's strong support for gun control cost him such heavily
rural states as West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas and Tennessee. There's no
percentage in continuing a losing fight, they believe.
Spokesmen for Rep. Dick Gephardt, the Democratic leader in the House, have
talked about the evolving "political reality" around gun control. Sen.
Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., who pushed for new regulations after the Columbine
killings, insisted after the Santee shootings that he "was not calling for
new gun laws" but wanted to work with the NRA to teach gun safety to
parents.
While NRA officials replied that they've been involved in gun-safety
training for decades, the reaction to the recent shootings is much closer to
the line the group has always taken on firearms violence: Guns don't kill
people, people kill people.
"This isn't about guns," NRA President Charlton Heston said after the Santee
shootings. "This is about troubled children."
NRA'S POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS
The NRA, which prides itself as being one of the nation's strongest lobbying
groups, made more than $3 million in political contributions last year. The
group expects its influence to grow with Bush in the White House.
The changing political climate worries gun-control advocates.
"We're certainly not happy" that a pro-gun-control stand is considered a
political liability, said Nancy Hwa, a spokeswoman for Handgun Control. "But
there are only some Democrats saying that, and we think they're wrong."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein is one Democrat who's not giving up the anti-gun
fight.
Stories about the public's growing lack of concern for gun-control issues
"is the NRA talking," she said. "That's what the gunners would like people
to believe."
Feinstein, who became mayor of San Francisco in 1978 after the
assassinations of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk, helped
push the Assault Weapons Ban through Congress in 1994. But in recent years,
she has fumed as other gun-control measures were bottled up in committee.
"Until the people of America rise up and say, 'We've had enough!' and defeat
the NRA-controlled House members, nothing will get done," she said. Having
Bush as president may make it harder to pass control legislation, Feinstein
said, "but I don't intend to cease and desist at all." Coming from
California, where polls show 70 percent of voters backing tougher gun
regulations, makes Feinstein's stand easier.
Even here, though, there are no guarantees. While Gov. Gray Davis signed a
number of gun-control measures two years ago, he refused to back any last ye
ar,
saying he needed time to assess the effects of the new laws.
Last year, San Francisco Assemblyman Kevin Shelley put together a bill that
would have required handgun owners to be licensed and handguns to be
registered. After the governor said he wouldn't support registration,
Shelley is back this year with a licensing-only bill.
"We recognize that people want gun-control measures, but they want them to
be appropriate," Shelley said. "Support comes when people recognize what a
particular bill does."
While Davis hasn't said he will sign a licensing bill, he hasn't said that
he won't, either.
E-mail John Wildermuth at jwildermuth@sfchronicle.com
©2001 San Francisco Chronicle Page A - 1 Chronicle
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Ya gotta love the Demos....
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Amid the jeers of protesters yelling "####, no, we won't pay!"
California regulators unanimously approved electricity rate increases of up to 46 percent
Tuesday to head off blackouts this summer and keep the state's biggest utilities from going
under.
The increases - approved 5-0 by the Public Utilities Commission - are the biggest in California
history and take effect immediately for the 25 million people served by Pacific Gas and Electric
Co. and Southern California Edison Co.
"The PUC has done all it can," commission president Loretta Lynch said. "We have fought back
hard in every venue possible against these unjust energy prices."
Lynch had proposed the higher rates as a way to get "electricity hogs" to conserve power and
stave off blackouts this summer, and as a way to help keep SoCal
(No mention of building any new power plants) ????
Edison and PG&E solvent.
SoCal Edison and PG&E say they have lost more than $13 billion since last summer because of
high wholesale electricity prices and because California's 1996 deregulation law prevents the
utilities from passing those costs on to their customers.
Some ratepayers and consumer groups have branded the plan a rip-off.
The increase will be on top of the 9 percent to 15 percent hike the PUC approved in January,
and an additional 10 percent increase already scheduled for next year.
"We are being held hostage by a handful of energy companies that, under deregulation, got
control of our electricity supply," said Harvey Rosenfield, president of the Foundation for
Taxpayer and Consumer Rights in Santa Monica. "Until our elected officials start acting to
protect us, we are going to be at their mercy, at the mercy of this ripoff."
Residents already pay on average $65 a month for electricity - 7.2 cents per kilowatt hour to
SoCal Edison and 6.5 cents per kwh to PG&E.
The latest rate hike would mean a 42 percent increase for SoCal Edison customers and 46
percent for PG&E customers for electricity alone. But the basic rates for electricity are bundled
with transportation costs, transmission costs and conservation programs, making the average
price of a kilowatt hour closer to 12.5 cents for SoCal Edison customers and 10.5 cents for
PG&E customers.
Spokesmen for both utilities said it is impossible to calculate how much Lynch's plan would cost
customers because the effect of the tiered system is not yet clear.
"Our bills have gone from $26 to $70 for a stinking studio apartment and we don't have a
heater, we use the oven to heat up the studio," said Belinda Lazzerini, 40, who serves fruit
smoothies at Jitters & Shakes in San Francisco. "The laundromat has gone up from $1.50 to
$3, so now we will have to clean our clothes by hand and dry them in the basement. It's crazy."
Democratic Gov. Gray has repeatedly said he is not in favor of electricity rate increases. But in
a speech Monday, Davis said he did not have the power to order the PUC, an independent
body, to maintain current rates.
"It's still my expectation that we can work within the existing rate structure," Davis said. "As
governor, I have not decided there should be a rate increase, and as governor, I have not
decided that tiered pricing makes sense."
Davis appointed three of the five PUC commissioners.
Consumer advocates argue the PUC, Davis and the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
are not doing enough to bring down exorbitant rates charged by out-of-state power generators.
"The generators should be forced to take lower prices," said Michel Florio of the Utility Reform
Network. He said the state should use its powers of eminent domain to seize the power plants
and run them itself.
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On the Net:
California Public Utilities Commission: http://www.cpuc.ca.gov
Pacific Gas and Electric Co.: http://www.pge.com Southern California Edison Col:
http://www.sce.com
Pre....
Matey .... July 23rd
Pre,
Matey..... 46
And you thought CA crime was high now!
CPUC has set power rates to raise ANOTHER 23%. This after they've doubled, tripled or more in parts of the state in the last year. Top that with doubled natural gas prices and buck sixty gasoline and you've just created several million desparate people. You west coast liberals better get a gun while you still can.
Escrow on my sold house to close April 27. Thank God!
Matey
The leather was a gift from my son...
but it cost about the same.
Rooster Mateburn
William,
Mine is blued with the 'case hardened' frame and wood grip. I carry it in a 'Duke' Mexican loop holster and gun belt made by Alphonso of Hollywood who made the real 'Duke' rig for John Wayne. Saw it in 'Rio Bravo' last night. I like it. I've seen a stainless steel one carried by a SAS member that was polished like nickle and engraved. It was a beauty.
Matey
Ol' Bufford got two life terms....
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010326/us/jewish_center_shooting_1.html
Man Gets Life for Calif. Hate
Crime
--------------------------------
The same flamers who push to get OUR guns banned for HIS actions, will be picketing for commuted
sentences and parole for this *******. Guess they gotta keep those shooting stats up since 75 to 80
percent of violent crime is committed by repeat offenders.
My son owns a recent
Winchester Model 94 in .45 Long Colt. Cowboys only had to carry one type of cartrige.
If you're looking for authenticity, .45 LC. You can get 'em cheap at gun shows, too.
Wyatt Mate
Aussie gun owners strike back...
Firearm Owners Association of Australia
Box 346 Gympie
Queensland 4570
Phone 07 54825070
Fax 07 54824716
Message to all Firearm Owners in Australia
Operation Strike Back 100% Victorious
In 1986 Howard, Fisher, Cooper and Borbridge were all warned by the FOAA
that
if they continued to ignore the individual rights of Firearm Owners,
traditionally their core supporters, that they, having 'sown the wind would
reap the whirlwind'. They were told in no uncertain terms via, thousands of
letters, faxes personal visits by former members and in countless media
interviews by our executive, that to proceed with the dictatorial Gun Laws
would be political suicide. That they would end up taking all their MP's to
parliament in a bongo van.
They did not want to listen, in fact Cooper and Borbridge invited the FOAA
executive to a conference, prior to the introduction of the Act and then
cancelled the meeting at the last minute, saying we were considered
'INTRACTABLE' that means, unsubmissive, unyielding, uncompromising, and it
was
true. We would not compromise the rights of our members by 'treating' with
the
enemy.
The Road Back
It has taken nearly four years, countless days and many nights of burning
the
midnight oil by thousands of Firearm Owners throughout Australia but the
Liberal, National betrayal has finally been driven to its conclusion. Every
state Government that agreed to the Inter-National Gun Laws has been thrown
out of office, the Nationals and Liberals as a political force in this
country
are now a non event. Cooper has Resigned, Fisher has resigned, Borbridge has
resigned and Prime Minister Howard is riding an (at the most six months)
avalanche of disenchantment into a chasm that the Liberal/National coalition
will never crawl out from.
'Bang Bang And You're Dead'
quote by Sir Richard Court referring to One Nation's effect on the West
Australian Liberal Party.
'One Nation' the machine that has produced this stunning result would not
have
had substance if the shooters did not supply the legs. Both the Firearm
Owners
and Pauline have both been quoted as saying that 'Pauline is the Train
Driver
and the Firearm Owners are the Engines and Wheels'. We have split Liberal
and
National asunder, now One Nation is the fastest growing political force in
Australia's history.
Only One More Party To Beat
Of the three Major Parties whose 'bi-partisan', or as I would call it
'Tyrannical' behaviour introduced the Inter-National Gun Laws in 1996 there
is
only one left. Labour. It seems that the only vehicle that has a chance of
bringing Labour to its knees is, One Nation. One Nation is the only
Opposition.
Labour is the last one to go, it cannot hide now behind a shield of Liberal
Socialists, it's on its own, isolated ready to be knocked off its perch.
Labour has not won an election on its merits, it offers no solutions, no
fairer attitude to the electorate, it has only sat on the sidelines
benefitting from the massive split in the coalition parties. As all action
causes re-action. Labours 10% swing, a backlash from Liberal due to GST can
soon swing to One Nation with the certainty of a ticking clock.
Let's do it.
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Let's do it here, too.
Naa Judd,
"must be an old photo matey...there's lights in california!"
Ain't cha hear a 'candlepower'?
ahaha ha ha humph!
WheresTheMatchesMate
Think that America...
has vast 'open spaces' and we have no reason to worry about 'too many people'?
Take a look at the U.S. at night.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
William,
Own a .45 Vaquero. Love it! Ask NYC how much fun I have shooting at an 18" boiler plate at 200 Yards! It's like firing a mortar round!
Most potent, of course, the .44 mag, most authentic and enjoyable to shoot, IMO, .45 LC. You have to choose what works best for you.
Matey
The 'high' integrity of the anti-gun faction..
MMM, as a matter of fact!
MMM gets caught!
http://www.infowars.com/payoff.html
Committee Witnesses Bribed
inside Texas State Capitol
by Ed Hohmann -- Infowars.com Exclusive
Shortly after testifying before the Texas House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee, one of the witnesses was seen paying off three other witnesses, apparently in return for their testimony in favor of a massive stack of anti-American legislation designed to disarm the people of Texas. When confronted in the hallway just outside of the hearing room, the gang members, who had each been paid $400, laughed and joked, a la Bill Clinton, that the payoffs were "campaign contributions". Video of the payoff taken by Alex Jones is available on the InfoWars.com website.
The hearing itself was a sham and a show orchestrated for the controlled media. From 2:00 in the afternoon until 7:30 in the evening, the same, small handful of witnesses took turns testifying at length in favor of House bills that were direct attacks on the Constitution of the United States. The Second Amendment was specifically targeted, with bill after bill listing restrictions to be placed upon Constitutionally protected firearms. One bizarre bill would even outlaw Constitutional militias while protecting agent provocateurs.
Hour after hour, witnesses testified as to the "need" to ban guns. The black gang members from Houston who were paid off, testified in their gang regalia before the committee, making statements such as, "White people are all racists" and, "If you don’t give us your guns, you’re gonna get killed!" Meanwhile, dozens of judges, police officers, and military veterans, who were there to testify on behalf of the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, were kept waiting.
It was not until after 7:30 at night, when the controlled media reporters took their cameras back to their stations to do their evening "news" broadcasts, that any pro-Constitutional testimony was allowed.
One of the pro-Constitution witnesses was a state judge from Fort Worth who testified, "The Second Amendment is there to protect us from tyranny."
Even the State Police that patrol the capitol were shocked by the sentiments expressed by the gun-grabbers, which included a handful of the "Million Moms" who revealed what kind of Moms they are. When informed by Alex Jones that Hitler was for gun control, they sweetly replied, "Yea, Hitler! Go Hitler!" and began cussing at Alex while nearby State Police listened with their mouths open. Several of the police later told Alex, "You’re right about all this!"
Several of the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee members who are against the bills told Alex that they listen to his show and watch him on television. These are good Texans who, unfortunately, are a minority on the Committee. However, they need our support to get these bills amended or thrown out.
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Don't ya just love the high intergrity of the leftists?
Far as I know, Hab....
God hasn't been banned here. You certainly have the freedom to ignore those posts you find offensive or would you rather have the government create another mandate so that only those 'rights' found politically correct may be enjoyed?
Matey
Would the last Citizen leaving Kalifornia...
....please turn out the..... oh wait.
Never mind!
EscapeMate
BZZZZZZZT! Wrong bagman!
"and buy a half dozen 5000 watt generators... take em to the roof and fire them up!"
Kalifornia's AQMD (Air Quality Management District) would shoot him down for multiple internal combustion engines pumping out hydrocarbons, NOX, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide, not only creating local air pollution but contributing to the hot house gasses and depleting the Ozone layer. We could directly blame NYC for local increased smog, higher incidences of skin cancer and melting polar icecaps resulting from him bumping up global warming.
What a monster! Thank OzoneAl for his enlightening book now renamed "Losing the Presidency with Junk Science".
KnowItAllMate
Big intrusive government at its best!
Violent crime up in the gun-control Mecca, California
Homicide up 27.5% in L.A. County
Forcible rape up 15.5% in L.A. County
Violent crime in general up for the state 3.5%
Just the opposite of what the pro gun controllers promise.
Source: KCAL-TV Noon Report speaking of Attorney General Lockyear's annual crime indicator report.
Thank you big left-wing government.
Textbook failure of gun control to reduce crime. In fact, criminals can feel safer knowing that this state has created so many roadblocks for law abiding citizens to purchase and own firearms.
Democrap health in Kalifornia...
BLACK OUT IN 2001 --- GRAY OUT IN 2002
and the rest as they come up for re-election!
One more thing, Viv....
Friday, Mrs. Matey will join me and begin retirement. When she comes home from her last day at work, there WILL be flowers and a 'Happy Retirement' card waiting. Now at 51 and 52, the Good Lord willing, we should have some great travel and living adventures ahead; starting with the walk-thru on our Prescott home on 4/9. We have one solid offer on our current home and we could possibly be full time citizens of the Free Territory of Arizona by end of April. No more rights crushing legislation and government created rolling blackouts, courtesy of Catastrofornia legislators. Good luck NYC. I hope your California Dreamin' becomes a reality. It was great in the 60's and 70's.
Wyatt Mate
Californian's prayer....
Please God, don't let the government help me anymore!
AmenMate
Californian's prayer....
Please God, don't let the government help me anymore!
AmenMate
Oh, I forgot! I have picked the wild flowers..
that grow in the field for my wife about every spring.
She loves them and I, of course, have severe pollen alergies!
ThoughtfulButSufferingMate
Viv,
"When you were dating/courting your current significant other, how often did you send flowers to her?"
Not very often.
"How often do you do it now?"
Not very often, BUT I'm building her a dang nice place in the town she wants to live in! Does that make up for it?
PanzylessMate
THE LATEST NRA ALERT!!!!!!!!
PLEASE POST THIS MESSAGE TO ALL INTERNET RESOURCES AVAILABLE
===========================================================
(This is the most recent update -- as of 03/20/01 1:00 P.M.)
go to: http://www.nramemberscouncils.com/alert032001.shtml
Please attend the Los Angeles City Council Meeting on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 10:00 A.M. Even if you cannot be
there, you can call the LA City Council and OPPOSE THIS HANDGUN BAN!
*** WHO: Los Angeles City Council
*** WHAT: Proposal to ban so-called "Ultra-Compact Handguns" (UCH)
ITEM NO. (13) - Motion Required 99-1580 COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY and ORDINANCE
FIRST CONSIDERATION relative to prohibiting the sale of ultracompact firearms and accessories used to enable the
concealment of ultracompact firearms, and to require the maintenance of records pertaining to exempted sales.
*** WHEN: March 21, 2001. 10:00 A.M.
http://citycouncil.cityofla.org/calendar/readtxt.cfm?fn=e:/enterprise/suitespot/docs/calendar/public...
*** WHERE: City Hall, 200 N. Main Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012 http://www.cityofla.org/council/cd2/c02map1.htm
*** WHY: This proposed ordinance is being promoted primarily by Councilmember and City Attorney candidate
Michael Feuer, who has timed these ordinances to coincide with his election campaign, and who has announced
his intention to get ordinances passed in as many cities as possible, and then passed at the state level. If it
passes in California, it could soon spread across the country.
Also, LA City Council Public Safety Committee member Nick Pacheco went public stating, "...I want to go on record stating I
support a ban on the possession of hand-held firearms by civilians..."
Larry Elder is libertarian and 100%
pro Second Amendment.
Matey
Larry Elder's KABC-Talk radio show......
every afternoon from 3:00pm to 7:00pm. One of the few things I'm going to miss about Catastrofornia.
Excellent book, I've been pushing for months at RB.
Matey
When you enable government to...
...interfere in other's rights, you have automatically allowed them to interfere into yours. The anti-gun faction, the environmentalists, and other prohibitionists never ask law makers to pass laws prohibiting their own activities. They always ask to limit other's rights 'for their own good'.
Tens of thousands of Californians
without power, on the news as we speak!
Way to go Dumbocrats!!! Should ensure the end of the demo deathgrip on the country's most populace state!!!
CA+Demo Governor+Demo Assembly+Demo Senate=*******ized power deregulation, power outages, accidents, deaths, moving corporations, lost revenue, bankrupt state and a new beginning!!!!
My CA left-wing paper...
...devoted a section of the Open Forum to the Santee High School killings and AGAIN, not one letter even mentioned more gun control. FINALLY, people are waking up and realizing that something is drastically wrong for kids to wake up one morning and decide to murder his schoolmates.
We are finally on the road to finding a solution rather than a scapegoat!
Also the Time Magazine articles about the tragedy failed to call for more gun control or even offer guns up as a cause. We are finally making progress.
Matey
Patron Saint for Handgunners? Gun Campaigner Presses Vatican
By Patrick Goodenough
CNS London Bureau Chief
March 13, 2001
London (CNSNews.com) - A Roman Catholic gun campaigner who says the Vatican should support the right to bear arms in self-defense is pressing ahead with a drive to have the church name a patron saint for handgun owners.
John Snyder, a former associate editor with the NRA's journal, The American Rifleman, has on several occasions lobbied the Vatican to consider naming Saint Gabriel Possenti to that position, most recently last week during a visit to Rome.
Possenti, who was made a saint early in the 20th century, was allegedly renowned for his shooting skills. In 1860, Snyder said this week, he rescued Italian villagers "with a striking, one-shot, lizard-slaying demonstration of handgun marksmanship."
A Vatican spokesperson said Tuesday there were some "biographical discrepancies" with regard to the saint and the gun claims.
Snyder runs the St. Gabriel Possenti Society, based in Arlington, Virginia, whose aim is to promote public awareness of the saint and discussion of the doctrine of legitimate self-defense.
"Recently, the Catholic Church named St. Thomas More the patron of politicians," he said. "Certainly, handgunners are at least as deserving of their own patron as are politicians.
"There are scores of millions of law-abiding handgunners in the world who ought to have a patron. In the USA alone, over 80 million law-abiding citizens own about 200 million handguns, rifles and shotguns."
As a former seminarian, Snyder said, he promotes the right to keep and bear arms.
"How can one claim to be a defender of the right to life without also being a defender of the right to self-defense and of the right to the means necessary for self-defense?"
The Catholic Church, he said, was a world leader in defense of the right to life. To be consistent, however, it should also defend the right to self-defense, and the right to the means of self-defense - gun ownership.
Snyder said he had yet to get any response from his latest request. On a previous occasion, he had received a reply from Bishop (now Cardinal) Noe, who said the proposal needed to have support from bishops in various parts of the world.
"Things in the Catholic Church often take a very, very long time."
A Vatican spokesperson said Tuesday requests to have patron saints named were usually made by organizations or a group of the faithful, to a body called the Congregation for Divine Worship.
She could not say whether a new request had been received from Snyder.
However, she continued, if the request was received it "would not be taken seriously" as there were biographical discrepancies "with reference to the saint and the handgun."
An entry on Possenti in the Catholic Encyclopedia makes no reference to the gun incident. It says he was "renowned for sanctity and miracles" before he died of consumption at the age of 24.
But the "One Year Book of Saints" by Rev. Clifford Stevens tells this story of him:
"On a summer day a little over a hundred years ago, a slim figure in a black cassock stood facing a gang of mercenaries in a small town in Piedmont, Italy. He had just disarmed one of the soldiers who was attacking a young girl, had faced the rest of the band fearlessly, then drove them all out of the village at the point of a gun."
The story goes that the mercenaries' leader scoffed at Possenti's abilities until the young man pointed to a lizard running across a road and shot it clean through the head.
Possenti was canonized by Pope Benedict XV in 1920. His feast occurs on February 27.
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NRA-ILA Local Legislative Action Alert!
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During the next few weeks, in a move to gain momentum for further statewide
restrictions on ammunition and firearm purchases, first the Los Angeles City
Police Commission, then the LA Public Safety Committee ("PSC") and finally
the LA City Council are scheduled to consider several ordinances that, if
passed, will completely prohibit or dramatically restrict law abiding
citizens' ability to purchase or possess ammunition and firearms.
These ludicrous laws are being promoted primarily by Councilmember and City
Attorney candidate Michael Feuer, who has timed these ordinances to coincide
with his election campaign, and who has announced his intention to get
ordinances passed in as many cities as possible, and then passed at the state
level. Thus, although the Council members take calls from city residents the
most seriously, even if you don't live in the City of Los Angeles you will be
impacted, and should take action to let them know why you oppose these
proposals!
On Monday, March 19th, the PSC (the Police Commission already approved this
one, with no advance notice) is scheduled to vote on an "ultra compact
handgun" ordinance that will ban the sale, transfer, loan, or gift of any
handgun that was not at least 6 3/4" long and 4 1/2" high (file no. 99-1580).
Private party transfers are not exempted. As written, this ordinance would
even make it illegal to momentarily loan these firearms to a friend at the
range. It also seriously impacts the ability of disabled shooters and women
in particular, who sometimes are not be able to handle larger firearms, to be
able to target shoot or use a firearm for self-defense. If passed, the full
City Council could vote on the ordinance as soon as Wednesday, March 21st.
On Tuesday, March 20th, the Police Commission will consider ordinances that
would completely ban the sale of all or most (e.g., magnum, +P, "slugs,"
etc.) ammunition (no. 99-1581) and would require a fee payment, buyer's
license, background check, and waiting period before ammunition could be
purchased (effectively raising the price on a $1.00 box of .22 ammunition to
$15.00). (no. 94-0515 S2). If this passes it will quickly move on to the PSC
and then the City Council.
In early April, Feuer intends to introduce a package of "smart" gun proposals
by the City's handgun control "Task Force," reports the March 11, 2001 Los
Angeles Times. (The 3/11/01 Times editorial board also endorsed Feuer for
City Attorney. This is the same editorial board that called for a ban on
private firearm possession in its December 12, 1993 issue.) Feuer's "dumb,
dumber, and dumbest" gun ban scheme would ban the sale of any gun without an
internal lock within the next year or so, the sale of any gun without a
magnetic ring unlocking device within the next two years or so, and the sale
of any gun without a fingerprint identification unlocking device within the
next three years or so. Since this technology does not exist or is completely
unreliable, under this scheme the City is effectively planning to ban
handguns altogether.
The proposed ordinances are posted at www.nraila.org under the "State and
Local" section. You can monitor the City Council's schedule at
www.cityofla.org, or by calling Councilmember Miscikowski, Chair of the PSC
and currently a strong supporter of the proposals. Please call and write the
PSC members (asterisked), the Police Commission ((213) 485-3531;
www.lapdonline.org/organization/bpc), and the rest of the City Council and
their Legislative Deputies (listed below, call bold names first) to ask
questions, get current copies of the ordinances, track and confirm hearing
dates (which may change on short notice), get hearing locations and
directions, and voice your opposition repeatedly as the ordinances progress.
Attend and speak at the hearing(s) if possible.
District 1: Councilmember Mike Hernandez, Legislative Deputy David Hersch
(213) 485-3451, (213) 473-7001
D-2: Councilmember Joel Wachs,* Legislative Deputy Greg Nelson (213)
485-3391, (213) 473-7002
D-3: Councilmember Laura Chick, Legislative Deputy Steve Meister (213)
485-3486, (213) 473-7003
D-4: Councilmember John Ferraro, Legislative Deputy Gayle Johnson (213)
485-3337, (213) 473-7004
D-5: Councilmember Michael Feuer, Legislative Deputy Daniel Hinerfeld (213)
485-5013, (213) 473-7005
D-6: Councilmember Ruth Galanter, Legislative DeputyTracy Warden (213)
485-3357, (213) 473-7006
D-7: Councilmember Alex Padilla, Legislative Deputy John Lee (213) 485-7777,
(213) 473-7007
D-8: Councilmember Mark Ridley-Thomas, Legislative Deputy Dora Gallo (213)
485-3331, (213) 473-7008
D-9: Councilmember Rita Walters, Legislative Deputy Kinikia Gardner (213)
485-3351, (213) 473-7009
D-10: Councilmember Nate Holden, Legislative Deputy Steve Kim (213)
485-3323, (213) 473-7010
D-11: Councilmember Cindy Miscikowski,* Legislative Deputy Adina Tessler
(213) 485-3811, (213) 473-7011
D-12: Councilmember Hal Bernson , Legislative Deputy Lee Hintlian (213)
485-3343, (213) 473-7012
D-13 Vacant
D-14 Councilmember Nick Pacheco*, Legislative Deputy Mariam Torben (213)
485-3335, (213) 473-7014
D-15 Councilmember Rudy Svorinich, Jr., Legislative Deputy John Cozza (213)
485-3357, (213) 485-7015
Also call Mayor Richard Riordan's office at (213) 847-3573 or (213) 847-3574
and urge him to oppose and veto the ordinances.
As you may know, a number of gun control measures have taken root in Los
Angeles and gone on to be passed state wide in Sacramento. These include bans
on affordable self-defense handguns, one-gun-a-month limitations, trigger
lock laws, bans on magazines that hold over 10 rounds, ammunition
restrictions, and more. In fact, there is a "smart" gun bill (AB 1219 -
Frommer) like the LA proposal in Sacramento right now! That is why it is
vital that the pro-self-defense community both in the city proper and
throughout the state work to stop these onerous proposals. Your freedoms
depend on everyone's involvement! PLEASE -- MAKE THE CALLS!
Onebgg.....
Good luck!
Matey
NM CCW law moves forward....
New Mexico's Right-To-Carry bill (SB0148) has passed their senate 25-17.
One of the Dumbocrats made this brilliant statements:
"This bill is a drug lord's dream. You will have drug lords carrying
concealed automatic weapons" -- Sen. Cisco McSorley (D-Albuquerque)
He doesn't even realise that full auto firearms are not part of the law, must believe his own propaganda. And STILL the sheep vote them in!!!
Matey
Willam,
Been working my butt off getting the house ready to list. On the market today and we have to go to Prescott the end of the month to close escrow and do our walk through. ALSO my motorhome is due for license and this time a smog certificate, by April 3. If we close escrow on the 30th, I will officially have an AZ address, so I'm going to try to get it registered before CA sticks it to me for big bucks. Everything seems to be happening at once!
Matey