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We are into the second half of this month so my guess would be the next pr will be about the release of relaxapro.
That commercial makes me wonder how bad alcohol is going to look in 15-20 years
Blowing up the phones? You are wrong for a fact there I was greeted very kindly today... Are you insane enough to believe people should invest 1000s of dollars and just close their eyes. Should I just believe all the pumping here in good faith.. Ridiculous... Absolutely rediculous.
Nice one... But I'm still waiting for 1s to come to buy any significant amount of shares. It was a small victory to speak to 1 human being on this planet that is even aware of Anas.
There is still many many inconsistencies here... But maybe you are right there is no need to panic so I assume you are buying millions these past couple of days?
I'm glad I found out tonight there is a living person that answers at Kush creams. I did call many times before though but I believe I didn't account for the time difference. My mistake for saying so. Finally a little bit of my simple wish came true!
Weird thing to is the day we had that mini run to .004 the T trades were at .0025 if I remember correctly. So at least on that day it tells us the trades took place sometime in the morning. The spike came out of nowhere mid day.
I don't know if someone noticed already but everyday since these t trades have been taking place it's always 4mil + approx 1 mil. The thing I notice everyday though is it is always .001 under the days low. Every single day without fail. I understand t trades but I don't quite know what to make of it either.
First of all I appreciate your post and your reply with your opinions of why you things look good and not just slander. I just haven't heard anything yet for me to agree with you that things totally look positive. At any rate hope I'm wrong
Very well said. It's obvious who wants to trap investors and who simply want to be part if a good thing.
I'm not sure what to think of this chart but it is interesting at this point in time. Mid 20s seems to be where the market calls it home for now and it's desperately trying to decide where to go next.
One thing I believe though is it's highly dependent on the next PR. The silence of the company is eventually going to break this. Jmo
May 22d "today announced that it has already started shipping products out to third party retailers, and there are distribution deals in place that will have its highly anticipated medical marijuana product, five hour high, hitting dispensary shelves in as little as four weeks."
So again I glad you got a hold of KC but does it inspire confidence for me.. No if they don't know when the product release date is now how on earth did they decide it was I good idea to state the above?
Again over ambitious or more like lying? And trust me I hate that I'm pointing that out but onthegreen was right they need to desperately get a PR out NOW connecting some dots, because even if this was a scam they should arleast feel pressure to deliver with something that makes a little sense
" The product will be available in dispensaries starting in Colorado around June 30th and plans are in motion to expand to several other "legal" states shortly thereafter."
This is one of the statement that really really bothers me on May 22 and I think most here are bothered by it...
We now know that the other legal state is WA.. However for them to make that statement about Colorado many things had to have been true:
1 that they had or were very close to obtaining a license (via another company)
2 that the production of 5HH was happening or it was discussed that it could be (saying it was an ambitious statement is a very kind way of putting it)
3 that they already have affiliation of some sort with dispensaries in Colorado (this is really hard to prove or disprove) I'm just of the opinion dispensaries don't even know about it
Look phat I don't have anything against you other than your hostility to others on the board who are bring up legitimate questions/hypothesis of what's going in with this company.
It may be that your right and a pr will come that will rock us. That is precisely why I still hold shares. At one time I planned on buying more though how can I possibly when really it's just blind faith at this point?
At least before that last mini bounce the chart looked attractive it doesn't anymore, at least for me anyway.
Could you please elaborate on some of your statements please? Don't you think it's a good idea to to tell us how you know they will receive a license in Colorado? Shouldn't these message boards be about sharing ideas, and if you think some ideas are incorrect sharing why you think so?
What is this whole attitude about not wanting to call companies to disturb them.. We give these people 1000s and in some cases 10,000s dollars yet it's pesky to call??
I'm glad someone got a hold of them because I've called 6 times over the past month and receiving a bizarre answering machine. I will admit though I didn't take inconsideration the time difference (duh) but then again I don't recall what time a day I did call. I will try again later this evening.
Lastly how is the volume of phone calls so high with Anas or Kc considering the volume of this stock? If you couple with the fact that most investors don't bother to call how is it that investors alone are bothering either one of these companies. Do the math and you will see it is ridiculous to assume that there is 100s of investors a day calling them. THINK ABOUT IT!
I absolutely believe you are correct for being concerned about what may happen in a couple of months. It's kind of at the heart of my rant. They absolutely must release a PR soon that has such a substance or kind of guarantee that the company isn't stringing us along. It is why it is not useful at this point to blindly pump this stock. If it is in fact a scam then I most certainly don't want my money ending up in the hands of the very person who could be scamming us (Chris).
I know that sounds incredibly harsh considering I still believe we may have a genuine company it's just hard to see what they really have at stake. I still have over 1 mil shares and when I first bought I did plan on buyin 5-10x that. Based I everything I understand I'm actually consider selling a little bit each week until I can gather even a little evidence that their mj ambitions are not fake.
Chris should know that he is not going to be able to cash his chips in without putting up some sort of anty.
I would argue I'm giving more info than you. Look at your last post "gonna be a big surprise pr here one morning soon that should shut down haters" Care to elaborate or speculate what that pr will be about? (I don't mean to be rude)Or are you just saying that mindlessly?
You may have briefly explained last week "how sales/territories/exclusivity coupled with the legalities of mmj from state to state are a complicated maze at this point" but that doesn't negate the fact they are not even perusing a market in Colorado at this time. Why is that important? It's because they stated in May that this stuff could hit the shelves as soon as June 30. Ask yourself how they could possibly make that statement is not even permitted to sell/transport there.. Let alone your own arguement that it's such a complicated maze?
I've also explained to you that u did speak with some owners. Why is that hard for you to believe? As if the owners of these dispensaries are on par with bill gates?
Lastly I guarantee you Chris reads ihub. Maybe not every post but he does. The main reason I very strongly suspect he does is because there is one place other than twitter to get share holder sediment on this stock... And it's here. You don't think he realizes that we paste his emails on here? Do you think that he is in a high rise tower somewhere being serves by a secretary and this is below him? Fact is it's very likely he may not even have an office except in the basement of his house
Yep agree with that. My thoughts also. I'm hoping they feel some pressure now
Lol I'm sure in no way did that info appeal to you. I will say this, before I did so everyone on this board was carrying on with statements such as "I wonder if it's in the selves yet?" I'm not criticizing everybody because I was wondering the same.. So I made many phone calls with more to follow.. I'll be sure not to share info if you don't like it
Agree thank you for that logical response.
So do you think it's vital that the next pr solidifies their claim in the mj industry to the public/shareholders otherwise we will trade sideways/down? What do you think is the likelihood we will receive such a pr in the near future, and why?
One thing I notice about Alternaturals is that they manufacture focamine, sobium, and more than likely relaxapro in the US. I don't draw a conclusions solely based on this but I do realize that it is because of their indication of entering the mj market that there is likely any interest in this stock. It is what is propping us up from trip zeros.
Also there are many other indications to me that these natural products don't generate a lot of income with regards to this. If you feel otherwise please debate me on this with logical arguments. I do not discount the wildcard these supplements present ( such as a large retailer raking them in or dr. Oz endorsement) however we know that is unlikely
It is my feeling that we and the company need to address it's potential of mj products and their undeniable commitment to do so. So far there is little to indicate to me that there is an absolute commitment to follow through with bringing 5 HH to market for real.. Or any other mj product.
It is my contention that because nobody I've spoke with in the mj industry has heard of Anas, kc or 5 HH that it COULD be a little scammy.
Let me remind people before they debate this that I am an owner if shares. I do own shares because of the risk/reward that I'm presented based in the info I have, including the aforementioned.
That all said I believe we need a pr released that shows the companies solidified commitment to making their claim in the mj industry. Keep in mind So far they have nothing to lose other than the reliability of their statements of intentions.
Pps will not rise (significantly enough ) for us to reverse this downward trend until we have confirmation on the validity of Alternaturals claims. The next pr in my mind MUST be something we can really go on or thus will tank further. It is my belief Anas knows this and the silence confirms this for me.
I don't need to know a lot about Ray Barton I get the gist. I would like to know hypothetically if he is capable of screwing us and if so how?
Personally I'm not selling for anything just yet because I have a comfortable amount of shares right now (1.3mil) the problem is I would like to buy more much more, largely because there is too many missing links here I can't. It is my opinion the market is stagnant here because of all this.
Now we could all take the approach of pumping this stock on here and ignoring the inconsistencies at hand or we could get our noses to the grind stone and share some real DD. Personally I'm going to make a list this weekend of all the contacts, associates, companies etc that are affiliated even remotely with either Alternaturals, or Kush Creams. I will make as many phone calls, emails etc I have to.. I face booked Kush this morning.. No reply.
The reason I think this is ultimately the best strategy for is all is because we either get to the bottom line now rather than 2 years down the road. Or the company will be forced to correct the inconsistencies we are ALL worried about.
My list will look like the following:
Ray Barton (stinky pink guy)
Megan Schwartling (Kush Kreams)
MDIN
I'll phone every person in Washington and I'll continue my Colorado phone call venture as well but so far I'll I know is people want 5HH but never heard of it Alternaturals or even Kush creams
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=89143069
Not sure I like this guy involved
Sorry I'm not really understanding. Who exactly is Ray Barton and how is he associated with ANAS, MDIN, or Kush Creams?
MDIN as we are now loosely connected by way of Kush Creams
Nice find! Did this one slip through the cracks or did I just over look it from a previous post?
Either way, I'm very glad to see the statement Kush Creams is a legal manufacturer and distributor of legal mj. I'm staring to think it might be within Washington only and not Colorado. We might have to wait until jan to see 5HH.
I'm thinking I should make a few phone calls to Washington instead of Colorado to get some DD on Kush. Also may try to give medgeninc a ring too.
You can follow Kush Creams on Facebook via Megan Schwartling ( co owner of Kush Creams). Wonder if she'll accept friend requests? Doesn't look like a ton of activity on there.
I have some questions that anyone can feel free to answer (except Bobbie)
Does Kush Creams have the legal capacity to manufacture and distribute 5HH in Colorado?
If not.. Then why did Alternaturals "tap Kush Creams to manufacture and distribute 5HH" and then fail to mention that they can't because of licensing issues. If that was the case why couldn't they just say they need to apply?
Is 5HH proprietary? I see the name is trademarked but is the formula? What's stopping me from juicing bud and calling it 5 Hour Weed? Is there a patent?
Why is it when I go to Kush Creams website and only order their clothing, but when I attempt to order anything else it doesn't let me?
Why is it when I call Kush Creams I get a voicemail of a seemingly stoner girl telling me I should refer to their website for any question I have? I left a message asking about obtaining one of their products and haven't received a phone call back. ( this was 3 weeks ago)
Can someone offer insight to any of these questions or at least fluff me, because u find it concerning?
Thanks for doing so mentor. I'm of the same belief that pumping nor bashing on here is a good strategy. It may help in small doses but if pumpers believe that asking, investigating and sharing true ideas and knowledge on this board is detrimental to the company and long investors they are fooling themselves.
The stock price is going down because of the company itself. This stuff about leaving Chris alone is crap.. He's wears big boy pants and can decide whether or not to reply to investors, release clear pr's get 5HH on shelves etc., though all have consequences he's the Vice President so suck it up and take command. ( who ever posted the email about him flipping out about being threatened by a visit.. Thanks for doing so)
I'm an investor not an employee therefore Anas has my hard earned money and I'll ask questions make calls and I'll share every bit of info I get on here that I can.
We as investors here are on the same side. We want this company to succeed and we all sure don't want to be scammed. If we are being scammed then I rather all of us find out sooner than later.
Also I could give two craps about focamine, sobium, and relaxapro.. The market obviously feels the same because the truth is, you me or anyone on this board could call a distributor/manufacturer in china to get ginseng, beet root, and organic unicorn fairy dust put in a capsule and sell it on amazon for $20. I'm not trying to be harsh but these aren't generating significant revenues guaranteed. It's a cute small business. Though who's to say maybe they are getting walmart, wal greens to take it on, but that's real wildcard, and that I'm not banking on.
Most people here are focused on 5HH and and so far I called almost 25% of the dispensaries in Colorado and simply asking if they have 5HH. So far none have or heard of it. Some ask questions, and I answer to the best of my knowledge.
I'm also going to state on here to the people who private message me that I cannot reply back because I don't have premium ihub. Call me cheap but I'd rather invest my money. Most are asking how many shares I have and the answer is approximately 1.3 mil. Do I have the capacity to buy more.. Yes, however until I find that one little nugget of info I'm looking for I'm keeping the rest of my little babies with me.
That said if anyone really feels the need to have a private convo with me feel free to follow me on twitter, and PM me so I can PM back. ( Greg@gxrGreg). Just don't expect I'll quiet down and start pumping mindlessly..
That's my sentiment exactly and if people just had the sense to place a few phone calls emails etc they will see the openness these dispensaries have.
Please visit that site too in Granville bc I'm very curious what exactly that address is bc it's hard to tell from satellite on google earth. Looks odd to me.
Your right now is not the time for the company to lolly gag and get their product to market (Colorado) before they are squashed like a big by a big badder company.
Also I have to express my concern about this "tweaking" of the taste of 5hh. Why is this an issue now? Please people don't respond saying that it a huge process and only people with the smarts ofsir Isaac Newton can formulate a great tasting mj juice. I have to assume they have a formula of some sort now right? They did star it's properties.
So if the taste isn't to their liking then adjust it by adding/taking away ingredients. I assume that Kush creams had at least one person working on this 8 hours a day 5 days a week. They know one shipment will make millions so I expect so effort with tweaking the flavor. If you to grade 10 chemistry I'm sure you can figure out quite simply how to do this.
If any think it's so complex it's not. You just need a pipette, beakers (or 2 oz. shot glasses purchased at a bargain store) maybe some ph paper if you want to adjust acidity... And then several ingredients that you think might make it taste better. Lemon juice, kool aid, mango juice whatever. Find the ones that taste good use the pipette to add flavors in small increments to each sample... Invite friends over for a taste test
In the meantime Alternaturals should be lining up sales
Packaging should not be a problem I see Kush package other items tastefully on their website.
Distribution should be easy as I beat to death if they can legally make it suely they thought of distribution not to mention Alternaturals stated distribution on June 30th
If 5hh is real and not just a trade mark name with some mj ran through a juicer they should not be any problems right?
That's what I'm getting at here there is something either holding up the company such as legalities they failed to share with us or the product is just juiced mj or just an idea in someone's head.
Nothing other than they share the same address as Alternaturals.Google map it see for yourself.. I had to google heras and they have locations all over the states on their website except the one in Michigan. I called another one in a different state and asked if they still have a school in michigan at that address they said yes. I asked for the number called they confirmed that's their address and got that sketchy reply... Do the same see for yourself.
Alter Naturals
2885 Sanford Ave SW Suite:28452
Grandville, MI 49418
Phone & Fax: 616-244-8500
Copy and paste the address on Alternaturals website paste it to google earth and tell me what you see
I second that. I'm not trying to bust chops here but seeking some truth
If you google earth their address they have listed you'll see what appears to be storage units in Michigan. That address also lists Hera's school of tax return. I called heras to verify if they have an address at that location. They do however I got a really sketchy answer about taking a course at that address. They said that's isn't their address and the course is held in a announce location on the day of the course??? Messed up I know
I knew I would get a reply like that and your right it not carrot juice which is heavy and the margins suck so we wouldnt make money...
So here a question that kush creams should of asked themselves before agreeing to distributing " how do other companies do it" if they don't have the proper paper work in order how do they sell their other cannabis products?
Again I bet I can call a dispensary today and find out how they go about purchasing There products, where it comes from who sends and how and if delivery require certain licenses.
So what's the problem we are not being informed of?
Let me clarify respectfully I am NOT even remotely in any shape or form cutting deals with dispensaries!
I call every single one and open with "I was wondering if you have 5 hour High?" The response is sometimes just no we don't then I say thank you and hang up and call the next one.
Most time they ask me questions about it and I simply tell them the truth. I did sarcastically say I could cut deals for them just to illustrate how easy it would be. Some people here think you need to be the queen of England here to sell a product to dispensaries.
One thing that really bothers me is all this talk about distribution, distribution channels, big distributors, distribution network... It's all crap use you heads what would it take to deliver finished product to dispensaries. Last night I illustrated that a tractor trail or carrying their 50,000 lbs load could go to colorado and deliver 400,000 2 oz bottles of 5hh. Which is way way too much considering there are about 200 dispensaries that 2000 bottles per.
You could do this in a 5 ton cube van which doesn't even require a special license. So all this talk about distribution is crap. While kush is making packaging this stuff Chris should form a roladex of names numbers email addresses of dispensaries in Colorado who want a sample preorder what have you but let me guess he's too busy cutting deals? Cutting what deals and does a one deal take months of talking on the phone? No it does you call and who ever is interested makes a contract and lawyers do the rest...
I did consider that and I must clarify I don't call dispensaries with intentions of selling anything. I may have confused people today when I made a comment that was slightly sarcastic suggesting I could make sales for the company. The reason I said that was bc every call I place i just ask if they have 5 hour high.. Thats how every convo I had starts.
The people on the other end are the ones who start asking me questions about it. They could simply say no we don't have it, and some do. I say thank you, and call the next one but most ask questions and yes some of them are owners. A lot of these dispensaries aren't huge operations run by Donald Trump which only CEOs of Fortune 500 companies can get in contact with.
The people who work at these dispensaries that I call ask me for websites contact info. So obviously they have some sort of sway in what is purchased at that particular dispensary. You can also bet your bottom dollar they are known, trusted and close to the owner of the dispensary.
I'm not going to buy that it takes some big powerful company/distributor etc to sell a product to a dispensary. Isn't that what Alternaturals and kush creams should be doing? That's the point I'm trying to make
I'm not try to be a thorn on this board but Chris told me today "we are working with several manufacturers, and distributors, and putting together big agreements" that's great but kush is manufacturing and distributing 5HH right? The only real market right now is colorado..
It's simple from this point on. Kush makes 5hh bottles it, calls a shipping company with a tractor trailer and delivers it to colorado dispensaries. That is multiple millions of dollars profit right there.
Problem is I'm discovering dispensaries in Colorado are unaware of the product. So what it this big shell game with big distribution agreements As stated before at one time Alternaturals was going to the hub to which dispensaries could use as distribution.. The word distribution is being used as if it is this grossly complex business feat that only an MBA can understand.
FIND THE MARKET (COLORADO) CREATE THE DEMAND (CALL DISPENSARIES) TAKE ORDERS. PUT IT ON A TRUCK. RINSE REPEAT.
I appreciate there is red tape with mj but if kush is manufacturing it then what's the problem? Do they not have the authority to do so?
I did some simple distribution math.. An 18 wheeler can carry approximately 50,000 pounds or 400,000 oz of 5 HH there is 200 or so dispensaries in Colorado that is approximately 2000 bottles per store.
My point is distribution isn't rocket science there is something not being said
Is anybody else confused when trying to understand distribution.. Is it this complicated really?
March 31,
"That plan is to become the premier distribution company for the entire alternative healthcare product, and medical marijuana industries."
"We have the opportunity using our relationships to change that forever, and give individual dispensaries the chance to offer a tremendously varied product line while dealing with one distributor."
"dispensaries wishing to compete by offering a variety of product types, are encouraged to contact the company right away."
April 10,
" and one cannabis or medical marijuana product that the company will distribute strictly through dispensaries in states where marijuana is legal."
"Premier also operates a newly formed distribution company to centralize the fragmented alternative health product, and medical marijuana industries."
May 22
"today announced that it has already started shipping products out to third party retailers, and there are distribution deals in place that will have its highly anticipated medical marijuana product, five hour high, hitting dispensary shelves in as little as four weeks."
"The product will be available in dispensaries starting in Colorado around June 30th"
Is anyone else extremely confused when they read the below quotes from the company when it comes to distribution..
June 5
"chosen Kush Creams, a Washington based, medical marijuana grower and distributor with award winning strains and products, to manufacture and distribute its long awaited medical marijuana product, 5 Hour High"
Today's email from Chris
"we are working with several manufacturers, and distributors, and putting together big agreements"
See what a little diligence will produce. Some here may think I'm a bit of a joke on here but I'm here to make money this is a second job for me right now and I will get Alternaturals deals myself if I have to. I also may an exclusive business contact with a distributor in Taiwan who can get natural supplements made in China ultra cheap safe and approved for the US. I'll be running some products by Chris in the coming weeks.
Thank you,
We do appreciate the help, and mostly it doesn't hurt. For example, we are working with several manufacturers, and distributors, and putting together big agreements. Some of these that have been called may be their clients or competitors, so it could be counter productive (however unlikely) and even cause a rift with a partner. Another example is that we could end up signing an exclusive deal with someone who is large and guarantees big sales, and these dispensaries called may not be in their network so it could be for naught. Also, we cannot make deals to sell it, technically we are just licensing the product to the distributor because MMJ laws prohibit a company who is not registered as an MMJ manufacturer from selling MMJ products. There are many reasons we are not registering. We avoid many restrictions, including OTC market restrictions and banking restrictions by being a mainstream company that also has MMJ products. Most likely it helps not hurts but you can see why we are waiting for now on that type of sales strategy...plus manufacturing and online sales has us understaffed at the moment for that type of a push. We do really appreciate you spreading the word though, really.
Thanks again,
Chris