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The numbers speak different
In stock trades, demand for shares increases a price, desire to liquidate decreases share price if there is not adequate demand
Some may not have access to an actual stock chart or historical pricing, but the desire to sell has well outpaced the demand since Ron put the world on notice we not only haven't closed deal but don't have financing
The 500+ shareholders of record greatly outpace the DD crew
Good month for the DD crew, absorbing cheapies like Brawny paper towels on a coffee spill
Correct, it is not superstar
However, in all fairness it is an UPGRADE from what we have had
Confirmed below that we can not believe anything our current president says, and that direct from the DD crew.
New president needs to release intro letter with executable vision ASAP to shore up investor sentiment and remove ECSL from preceptive caveat emptor
Do you have a link for the deed transfer?
My quick search of public records / tax assessor / and Hillsborough deed transfers confirms that deal is not done
You see, i don't call it gumshoeing but i kind of do know a bit about real estate
Let me assure everyone who isn't that familiar with real estate, a deal is not done until it CLOSES.
And this is not CLOSED.
Oh wow, so the hypothesis is that ECSL should not be believed?
Even in PR releases and direct letter from President?
That hypothesis is a recipe for disaster and appears to be playing out in front of us as i type
roughly half 10 day average daily volume in first 2 hours of trading is 'low volume ' ?
Point taken!
What happened to buying everything under a dollar?
How did we get under a dollar if that was happening???
As unpopular as it seems to be to some
This is correct
Substantially to the letter more accurate with your statements and predications than all the gum shoeing in the world has put forth
Yeah, I don’t think we really want to wish that
That isn’t what the company says
Literally read the PR
You know something we don’t?
Ron said specifically financing isn’t in place
Yes, this isn't unfolding as anticipation would have dictated
Looks like the cheerleaders are even a bit shook based on participation last 36 hours
I certainly wasn't expecting this much downward pressure with the last two PR's
I mentioned to some fellow shareholders yesterday, if the market thought it was worth a buck without having a closing , you get confirmation its in progress albeit farther behind than anticipated, and you get a Ron replacement and a finance specialist; But now the market thinks its worth 20% less?
seems a little odd, particularly with so many millions of shares that were bought north of a $1 this time
Just to clarify, this isn’t 60 days
Initial disclosure was July 2020 via PR
I agree it takes time. The company’s historical ineptitude has created the image mess its in
Parting ways with the Vancouver crayon writer oh say about last July , and hiring a real firm would have been optimal to craft a consistent and coherent message. Begin the social media campaign, atone for the sins of the state past. Just basic block and tackling
These are some of the reasons, ‘real’ shareholders have legitimate concerns over a April/May , if ever, closing
The last two weeks seem to be a new chapter, let’s hope they keep it up
My favorite part :
In February of 2021, the company signed a definitive agreement to purchase an operating business and land. The agreement included a deposit of $250,000 and is scheduled to close sometime in April.
Pre may would be nice
Well, if 70MM outstanding is the number, here is another 3% increase in shares
Shares to be Issued
As of December 31, 2020, there were shares to be issued for cash and services yet to be issued. The total number of shares to be issued totaled 2,249,000.
Maybe my dilution pontification wasnt so silly
Lotsa familiar names of the shares for cash ledger in the filings , as well as some new ones
Agreed on all accounts
Major concern moving forward in relation to comp packages, deal structure etc... How much dilution are we facing?
The company has zero to incentivize / offer except hope and shares. Last i checked no one has bought hope equity in the markets.
Still standing by my valuation post from a few days back, however may want to cut it in half as a hedge to down side.
I could easily see 70 Million shares materialize on the books as the deals and hiring packages start to unfold
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Also think a pretty streamlined valuation here is monthly net projected income in MM = share price in dollars
IE, if you think this new operation can feed $1MM to bottom line, it’s a $1 stock. $10MM to bottom line, $10 stock
Presuming we are really 70MM shares outstanding
$1MM = $12MM annual x PE of 7 gets you a $1 ish stock
$10MM = $120MM annual x PE of 7 gets you a $10 ish ish stock
7 ratio feels responsible , and rounding DOWN as a reasonable hedge (yes I know $840M indicates $12)
It’s pink sheets so a lot of future guesstimates are baked in, it’s not like any of this income one would settle on is documented or historical. So the valuation is an assumption on top of assumption which further yields to utilizing very conservative numbers
Tax credits, amortization, blah blah blah. Don’t worry about how we get there, just focus on the net revenue
Step 1 believe we have a product
Step 2 believe we are going to get outside financing without dilution to close deal
Step 3 deal closes and provides vehicle for revenue stream
Step 4 new management team has vision and executable goals
Step 5 play with your own projections to identify potential value here if any
Contrary to group sentiment, i would like very much for this endeavor to be successful
Just want to see it done above board and the right way
Pedigree appears to be superior to that president hire
And does bring a reassurance that financing may be obtainable with Ron out of the way.
All indications are this is a GOOD hire
And more importantly for the little engine that hasnt, consistent disclosure/PR/updates, brings a legitimacy we have been begging for for years.
No way to spin this one poorly,
Market has it baked in, its time for our new players to put up and execute!
Thoughts on non disclosed dilution when the dust settles?
100% his position at BOA was NOT exec level.
Just take this one snap shot, and it is the story that permeates all things ECSL
The DD crew refuses to accept we have been here before
we have been here before and before and before and before that
same story and ending EVERY SINGLE TIME
will this time be different?
Time will tell
a strong letter from the NEW president atoning sins of the past and a clear executable vision for the future would be a GREAT start
but can we get a $3 pump ?
I think everyone here would be happy with that opportunity to sell
Bday gift has arrived, let’s see if this changes things
John Lawrence joins CyberFuels, Inc. and CyberFuels Gateway Terminal as President
9:28 AM ET 2/16/21 | GlobeNewswire
John Lawrence joins CyberFuels, Inc. and CyberFuels Gateway Terminal as President
PALM BEACH GARDENS, Fla., Feb. 16, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The EncounterCare Solutions, Inc. (OTC BB: ECSL) Board of Directors is pleased to announce that John Lawrence has joined ECSL as President of its wholly owned subsidiaries, CyberFuels, Inc. and CyberFuels Gateway Terminal effective February 15, 2021. Most recently, Mr. Lawrence served as an Assistant Vice President at Bank of America and Director of Business Development at Florida Fuel Connection. Mr. Lawrence was also able to successfully hone his entrepreneurial skills as a co-owner of one of the nation's largest independent mortgage brokerage companies where he employed approximately 350 employees.
Mr. Lawrence has over 30 years of experience starting his career at Hess Corporation and other leading fuel and financial companies engaging with leaders in energy and finance. He has been instrumental in building traditional fuel and Biofuel supply sources for the State of Florida and with this new position can enhance the growth, supply, storage, and distribution of CyberFuels patented product "Dynamo", as well as make available a new multi-storage facility for both current and alternative fuels to Florida and the southeast U.S. Mr. Lawrence has relationships throughout the Fuel industry with regards to distribution and storage, including by rail and sea, which will be integral given CyberFuels' expected purchase of a Terminal port and rail connection in the State of Florida, and extensive experience with financing firms and funds that have offered contracts for funding within the energy, fuel, and transportation industries.
Ronald Mills, CEO believes that John's industry knowledge, financial expertise, and relationship skills make him the ideal candidate to lead this Company into its next phase of growth through its CyberFuels suite of products. "We believe that there is a tremendous opportunity to expand the alternative fuels market through our EcoFlex96(TM) patented product that saves consumers money at the pump, reduces emissions by up to 20%, is better for your engine, and produces better miles per gallon than current fossil fuels," said Ron Mills, CEO. Mr. Mills continued, "In the meantime, we can improve upon the depleted storage capacity currently being experienced in the fast growing state of Florida."
Mr. Lawrence stated, "I am thrilled and super-motivated to join ECSL and look forward to getting this new storage terminal underway so that we can bring fuel supplies and storage sources to the citizens of Florida and the southeast U.S. Historically, Florida has been at a distinct disadvantage with higher gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel prices because the state does not have pipelines and refineries. A necessary approach to maintain the State's beauty and living environment. As a result, Florida is more like an 'island' than a peninsula when it comes to energy sources. My vision is to build a state-of-the-art storage terminal to include CyberFuels expansion, solar power, as much 'Green' energy biofuels as possible, while giving current suppliers in Florida an added option for more storage capacity."
GOOD news out
Too many variables
How much non refundable was put up for instance? A seller can certainly be enticed to contract with a less than desirable party if they put enough cash that’s non refundable
What we should all be a little nervous about...... what chips does the Kamikaze man actually hold ? Bigger players get to make terms, not broke pink sheet entities
For that reason, it’s going to interesting to see what the final terms are for everything.......
UM- I’m not a buyer or seller at 80 cents or a dollar
I am overweighted in anticipation of a significant move up, which is stalled by the inept leadership.
If we inch up and plateau again, I’ll reallocate to hedge against downside
The ‘idea’ has always been through all of the failures in the past, a push to break the 2013 $3 mark. Ron has been diligent about blowing up deals to ensure that hasn’t happened
This weeks events are more of the same and the history (kamikaze Ron) certainly clouds / hedges the bet to the losing side
I do think the terminal is real, I do think considerable work has been put in.
I don’t think the CEO has a clue on how to run a publicly traded company but you and everyone else knows this
I do like the ‘math’ here presuming we have all the details. If financing can’t be secured based on the numbers being touted then we aren’t being told something.
The timing of releasing a rough draft letter with virtually no new information other than we don’t have financing, is the Kamikaze man doing what he does best
The ONLY thing I can think of (as has been mentioned by others here) is that somehow that was a reason for someone else to buy and get in, or there was a reason to get management change shot fired immediately because he was running the risk of it being public info without him disclosing. You know Kamikaze Ron doesn’t believe material event SEC regs apply to him. But when you tell the direct dial crew, it’s bound to get out
He literally can’t get out of his own way, and by doing so impacts the portfolios of a lot of already disgruntled shareholders
The timing of the letter is nonsensical unless the ‘plan’ is no PR until April , which would defy everything that has been said publicly in prior communication and privately from the DD crew.
If he doesn’t release a PR in the next two weeks, and god forbid not until April, this will be a blood bath
I’m sure plenty of the cheerleaders sold before this went below a dollar, and are ready for those cheapies
Wash, rinse, repeater.
The life cycle of a ECsL shareholder
Also think a pretty streamlined valuation here is monthly net projected income in MM = share price in dollars
IE, if you think this new operation can feed $1MM to bottom line, it’s a $1 stock. $10MM to bottom line, $10 stock
Presuming we are really 70MM shares outstanding
$1MM = $12MM annual x PE of 7 gets you a $1 ish stock
$10MM = $120MM annual x PE of 7 gets you a $10 ish ish stock
7 ratio feels responsible , and rounding DOWN as a reasonable hedge (yes I know $840M indicates $12)
It’s pink sheets so a lot of future guesstimates are baked in, it’s not like any of this income one would settle on is documented or historical. So the valuation is an assumption on top of assumption which further yields to utilizing very conservative numbers
Tax credits, amortization, blah blah blah. Don’t worry about how we get there, just focus on the net revenue
Step 1 believe we have a product
Step 2 believe we are going to get outside financing without dilution to close deal
Step 3 deal closes and provides vehicle for revenue stream
Step 4 new management team has vision and executable goals
Step 5 play with your own projections to identify potential value here if any
oppps, nevermind
maybe a paint job, but a low 80s versus low 70's
Thanks Ron, youre the best
Group consensus on if close gets painted?
ill say 'yes'
Think one would run out of money, there has been $200,000 of those under one dollar shares sold today
Buying more is as smart as letting current CEO write his own letters
Oh my, you clearly dont know Kamikaze Ron
30,000 on the bid, congrats
Might have dodged a bullet
Let me save you some gum shoeing
It isn’t there
Check your email inbox!
Because you know it won’t be on social media and Bill is in Vancouver 3 hours behind working at his own pace
Therein lies the rub, if the Kamikaze man flys off into the sunset, this actually may be $5 without this deal being consummated
So funny I keep forgetting to laugh
Look, there is a chance this ticks up just with some passing around of what was already known and now confirmed
Lottery ticket of people who don’t know Kamikaze Ron and like the math on the terminal and odds to close it based in the Rev projection
That certainly is plausible
I just think there are many long term investors who have had enough and this less than professional, pulling hair for transparency operation has worn them thin
I know there will be legit shares for sell the next few days because of this, no boogey man shorty, or winklevoss estate sales
Just hope some of those involved in the deal can now buy more openly than perchance they had 24 hours ago
That’s what I thought, not there
Not really an easy mistake
Better luck
For those of you too confused with the Jupiter jet lag, replace Frog with ‘investor” and find a mirror
A scorpion wants to cross a river but cannot swim, so it asks a frog to carry it across. The frog hesitates, afraid that the scorpion might sting, but the scorpion argues that if it did that, they would both drown. The frog considers this argument sensible and agrees to transport the scorpion. The frog lets the scorpion climb on its back and then begins to swim. Midway across the river, the scorpion stings the frog anyway, dooming them both. The dying frog asks the scorpion why it stung despite knowing the consequence, to which the scorpion replies: "I couldn't help it. It's in my nature
Kamikaze Ron gonna Kamikaze
Maybe it’s time for the scorpion and frog fable
I mean, this says a lot more about our tolerance for idiocy than it says about Ron. He is a known variable
How can I expect $165MM in financing to be done when he can’t edit a word doc and release a well written PR?
Early sell off and rebound is my denial prediction
By early, I mean at bell
Links please
Not finding on Twitter and it is not on company website
Where are you seeing this outside you inbox????