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learning curve:
While I share your overall optimism, I don't see Q3 as profitable. I'd love to be wrong, but I still think we are several quarters away from popping the champagne bottles. Building the distributioon chain, the new products (who know WHAT they are currently working on which has not yet been revealed?) and making this company a household name takes tons of cash. Don't get me wrong. We ARE getting there and have made significant progress. But I think Q3 won't get us "over the hump". IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME IN THE SLIGHTEST HOWEVER. We WILL get there and those of us who stayed the course will be viewed as visionaries.
I have never seen another company who held more promise, especially for those getting in now. I'm not aware of another company with this much promise where a thousand bucks will buy you 100,000 shares.
Now.............in all fairness, there is a REASON the company is trading at right around a penny/share. The company's expansion has been spectacular and some would call it reckless. One can put all the wiondow dressing on debt they want to, but debt is debt and it is incredibly toxic to ANY company. It may get them where they want to be, but eventually it will need to be retired and THAT will take profits. My belief is that the increasing sales will heal all wounds and we will one day be in a position to REALLY buy back shares and drive this thing Northward.
I'm rambling now.
In any event, your purchase today of shares at .0111 should reward you handsomely some day.
I'm still a buyer at these prices but my perceived window of opportunity is very long range, say two to three years. I'm not looking for a ROI of 10% or even 50% or even a ten-bagger. I'm looking for and ROI vastly greater than that.
Jacked 3d is a great product which was extremely popular with a loyal following...................however, nutritional supplementation is an unusually trendy crowd and who knows if MSLP has been able to pick up the converts for good or not.
Frankly, I have used almost all of MSLP's products and think they are without equal. But there are still other products I use. (I know, shame on me. A die-hard muscle pharm share holder using other products). While MSLP's protein powders are great, I still find myself going back to Gold Standard and Syntha 6 for my fast acting and long acting protein supplementation.
I friggen LOVE Amino1! I can really tell the difference between when I use it and when I don't. BCAA's are being "rediscovered" bt the bodybuilding community with an increased devotion. I see continued improvement in the sales numbers for a long- LONG time to come.
learning curve:
Did your limit order get filled today?
Given how thinly traded this is right now, it looks to me like sellers just aren't willing to shave anything off their ask and buyers are still seeking rock bottom prices. It does look like the current floor is around .011
Just upped my limit order to .011
Ten minutes left in the day to fill it.
One More Thought:
Many investors are exceedingly pi$$ed off about the dilution. But I see those investors as nothing more than that. They are "investors", or maybe more accurately "traders". They want to see an almost immediate return on their investment..........and who could EVER argue with that? My position is more that of a true "investor" who is willing to tuck away all my shares and ride out the troubled times.
I view MSLP as an almost "once in a lifetime" opportunities for investors. For traders, it is way too rocky. Those who got in a year ago, or even before that who were looking to trade it for a quick profit are justifiably disappointed. But I doubt ANY of them have ever started a company from scratch.............not a company of ANY size, let alone one with a global presence.
avocet:
How do I view the dilution?
MSLP has an overall business plan of being the world's premier supplement company. That takes money, LOTS of money. Really, the only way they have of raising those funds is to fire-up the printing presses and issue more shares. It is generically called "dilution" for good reason. The biggest problem is that when the sgares are only trading at just over a penny, they have to print (issue) a bazillion shares to generate serious cash.
It hurts in the short term, but given their long term gaol, I don't see much option. Well, that's not entirely true. They could march in place for a few quarters, not seeking to expand product lines or market share...............but many would argue that "marching in place" is "falling behind".
So, overall, I don't have much of a quarrel with raising operating capital in this manner. My BIG issue is I question the wisdom of signing so many high profile athletes which CAN'T be cheap. Also, compensation of the current B.O.D. seems excessive. Investor confidence would be bolstered if they would reign in spending and put off their "pay-day" until they are profitable.
Lastly, there are many ways to run a company. One can play it conservative, but the chances of becoming the world-wide leader in the nitritional supplement field if played "conservatively" is almost non-existant.
The "worst" I see here is a buy-out by one of the heavy-hitters, but frankly, I don't see it. I could be wrong of course.
As I have maintained for a long time now, increased sales will eventually heal all wounds.
I'm still looking to add to my position here.
I'd like to add between one and two million shares at these prices.
I am convinced that MSLP hasn't come even remotely close to market saturation. There is no reason to believe that sales won't continue to rise exponentially for some time to come. Those increased sales come from improved market share of existing products AND introduction of new products. They are only recently gaining wide spread acceptance and brand recognition within the fitness / bodybuilding community.................and that's just here in the USA. Globally, their products are only now being introduced into some countries. There is tremendous upside.
With ANY company, it requires a certain level of sales to cover G&A expenses. Once that threshold has been crossed, the bottom line turns black and life becomes much easier. MSLP's explosive sales growth will propel us toward that magic quarter very soon.
Agreed. What possible motivation would there be in pumping UP the share price for a corporate buy-back of shares? Seems rather counter-intuitive if you ask me.
I'm just a dumb carpenter, but it don't add-up to this cowboy.
I just upped my limit order. It doesn't look like sellers are willing to give up much ground today.
Comm-on! There HAS to be one seller wanting out before the long weekend. I promise I'll give your shares a good home.
Still looking to add to my position here. I just placed another limit order for the 1.8 million shares I'm looking to acquire.
Five million. That's a nice round number isn't it?
When I read many of the posts on here, I understand people's frustrations. But I also understand what it takes to build a global brand from scratch. What this company has done is phenomenal. What they have accomplished is almost unbelievable, especially given how rapidly they have accomplished it.
I am here for the long haul.
I've never read a post here which more accurately reflects my own feelings. I will be here a year from now smiling from ear to ear.
VERY few posters appreciate what it takes to take an idea and make it into a global brand. They act as if it all "just happens". In reality it is a brutally difficult task, frought with pitfalls.
We will get there. Patience is a crucial component in investing.
I just try and look through all the dust they throw into the air. 99% of their posts are meaningless. What useful purpose is there in posting links to the company's web page?
They are clearly riff-raff trying to pump the share prices.
I don't ever listen to the pumpers OR the bashers.
Bottom line is, I believe in the company's products (I use them myself) and I believe this company is a ten bagger EASY over the next year.
BUT I AM NOT pumping. Never have and I never will.
Okay.......................I'm going to try this one more time today. I just placed my limit order for 1,793,900 shares at .011
I should have upped my limit order on Tuesday.
FWIW, Unlike the "Pumpers" here, I'm in this for the long haul. I have a solid faith in the company's future.
If filled, this will put me at my long held target holding of 5,000,000 shares even.
Will it go to .10 next week? No. HIGHLY unlikely. Will it go to .10 next year? I believe so completely.
Very few investors recognize that the very HARDEST period in a company's life is the FIRST five years. I know that personally, having started two companies myself. AFTER that five year mark, (Four years in one case and five in the other) profits exploded since cash outlay requirements dropped substantially. Also, in both cases, after five years, name (brand) recognition was well entrenched and market share doubled and tripled while costs to produce/market/distribute those goods plummeted.
I am here for the long haul.
Best to all.
My order wasn't filled either. That makes three days in a row. (I did get a couple hundred thousand shares at .0102 on Friday).
I'd love to add more. Maybe even a million or more.
I'm in no hurry. I've been here a long time and will be here for years to come.
I am going to try and complete my unfilled orders from last week. Just placed a buy order for 793,900 at .0102.
THAT would be a great way to start the week.
I may have to raise my bid in order to get filled.
I was first in line at .0105, but it looks like it AIN'T gonna happen.
Back in full position. I have a hard time believing this will go subpenny but what do I know:) Hopefully at least for the time being .011 is the bottom
It does look like .011 is the bottom for now doesn't it! I was hoping to grab a couple hundred thousahd at .0105 but it appears that my buy order won't get filled.
One nice aspect of Fund Managers wanti9ng in on a company is that their checkbook is H U G E ! Often, when / if they are interested in a company, they will say thing slike:
"You know.....................I'd just LOVE to buy in, but before I can do that in good conscience, you'll need to do x. y and z."
Some of those "x, y and z" things are often changes in the BOD.
Having said that, I confess that it's ALL hypothetical and I don't have the faintest idea or knowledge that has happened here. What I DO know is that fund managers are ALWAYS on the lookout for the next "Darling of Wallstreet".
With a few minor changes, this company could EASILY be the very next "Darling". And don't think for a minute that they haven't already turned heads amongst Fund Managers. We ALL Have to remember that this company is just a baby-new company. They have done a TON of things right. In fact, it could be argued that the things they have done "wrong" are just a matter of opinion on what the best, fastest path to mega success is.
Whether or not we have a R/S (which I HIGHLY suspect we will), I am in for the long haul.
One last thought to any reader of this thread who is just "sniffing around" and trying to decide if they should jump in or not.................I am able to endure risk that other investors may not be able to weather. Each person must determine their own level of risk.
My strong belief is that this one is headed North and by North.........................I mean WAY North.
Just placed my limit order for 293,900 shares at .0105. I doubt it will fill since today looks like another very low volume day, both sides waiting to see who blinks first. If it doesn't fill within the next few hours, I will reevaluate. That would put me at 3.5 million shares.
I would like to complete my position here at 5 million even.
For all those worried about a R/S.....................that doesn't frighten me in the slightest.
Tons and tons of Mutual Funds are prohibited from buying ANY securities which trade below a dollar. I have seen R/S's which kick a stock in the ass and get it moving and I've seen them trade sideways, and I've seen them tank. The R/S doesn't seem to have much affect either way.
I've also seen conventional splits tank a stock. I cite QCOM which absolutely plummeted after a 4:1 split.
In the end, the products are the products. Growth is growth and management is management. My personal conviction is that a R/S would open this up to many funds which can not currently participate.
As always, just my two cents.
Y A W N !
I've got another buy order in for today. Not sure it will get filled without me upping the bid, but I'll give it a try anyway.
As I have said before, I'm not expecting an over-night double here, but I'm hugely confident that a year from now, we'll be 10 times the curent trading price.
Increased sales equate to increased cash flow. Cash flow solves a multiplicity of problems. Every investor here is in on a "ground floor" opportunity....................and I confess that there is great risk. I believe wholly that there are great rewards lying ahead for the patient investor.
To those who sold yesterday: Thank you for the discounted shares at .0102. I wish my entire million share order had been filled but I'll take the 206,000 and be happy. As soon as those shares were filled, we popped up 20%.
To be totally honest, I am still under water here. 3.2 million at an average cost of .023
To those who want to bash: Ask me if I care. I'm in this for the long haul. Yesterday's recovery was a huge vote of confidence by investors. It looks like it's headed North again today.
Not bad. A 20% recovery from the day's low. Like I said earlier, it looks like we've found a bottom.
Wow. We just went green for the day.
Looks like the balance of my order won't get filled today. I picked up 206,100 shares at .0102. Sitting on just shy of 3.5 million now.
Picking them up now at .0102.
200,000 + now
Just updated my buy order to 1 million at .0103
Learning Curve:
Boy. That is a head scratcher. Not sure what is going on there. I do know that I've had buys or sells placed before and NEVER seen them appear on Level 2.
Is it possible the prior order was an "All or Nothing" order?
QUOTE:
"Today could be the washout day. I think .006-.007 could be in play.Fasten your belts."
Possible but I highly doubt we'll see a pull back of 35% to 40% at these levels. It's already looking like we've found a bottom at .01
FWIW, my buy order for 500K is in at .0091. Not sure we'll even get that low.
Coach:
Your post in response to "Crossroads" is without doubt the most lucid, well reasoned post on this thread I have read in a long, LONG time. Thank you for your input.
If we see a pull back this morning, I am adding another half million shares. Yesterday's earnings report only confirmed what I have believed for a long time now. This company is headed for the brass ring.
This is still a baby-new, ground-floor company. As I have maintained all along, these guys aren't out to be "just another supplement company". Their goal is to be "THE" supplement company. These things don't happen overnight. It takes years and it takes money.
MSLP is not for those who expect a ten-bagger overnight. But there is little doubt to me that it WILL be a ten bagger over the next year.
Patience is an important component of investing................... ESPECIALLY with start-up companies.
Just my two cents.
Agreed. Officer's saleries must always be kept in check, but one of the ugly truths of Wall Street is that it takes a certain level of compensation in order to attract high-powered talent. In the end, once the infrastructure is in place, the cost to produce each unit decreases dramatically. When combined with explosive sales, those unit costs drop even further.
Building a global company from the ground up is unbelievably difficult and it doesn't happen overnight. Mistakes will happen in every company. This is a "Baby-New" company with lofty ambitions. They are taking on well extablished, household names in the nutritional supplement sector and they are turning heads in the industry.
I'm not here to convince anybody, but for me, I'm in for the long haul. I couldn't give a rip about a 10% tick up OR down. I'm looking for a trading price 100 times where it is now.
Everyone needs to calm down. This company is experiencing phenominal growth and there are inevitable growing pains associated with that. I've held a large position for a long, long time and I'm not worried in the least. This company is headed for greatness and the trading price will reflect that very soon.
Growth is painful. Growth is expensive. But growth, when done right, brings explosive sales. That's precisely what we are seeing.
Be patient. Stay strong and you will be rewarded. Just my humble opinion.