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I have been in crappy pink sheets with the full intention of flipping... knowing that the stock was a total sham and with a very high probability that something criminal was going on.
lol... as opposed to having a large stock holder allegedly be affiliated in a paid promotion company and dollars being funneled FROM the company, supposedly to the same promotion companies, to supposedly pay for promotions of a publicly traded company where the stakeholder is actively making investments? Wasn't that here that this scenario played out?
Or as opposed to reporting that they are going to make stock repurchases and then just simply not do it?
Or how about having someone who seems to have financial ties to the company come onto a stock message board and seemingly imply information that the company has not released?
Maybe I am wrong, but the level of suspiciously interesting things going on here is staggering. Things that are not uncommon for stinky pinkies.
I am 100% sure that Frost has his ducks in a row to make him money. I am 100% sure that Arnold has his ducks in a row to make him money. Frost making Frost money or Arnold making Arnold money does not necessarily equate to shareholders making money.
ALL IMO and all info in this post is based on my feeble memory with no links to back it up.... simply discussion, conjecture and opinions.
Why? Do you have inside information, or are you just hanging your hat (blind trust) on the thought that Dr. Frost gives a crap about your wallet?
Oh... so you are guessing like everybody else? Only difference being is that the duck named BZNE appears to be full of bag holders. If it look and quacks like a duck, pretty good chance it might be a duck.
ALL IMO.
And there you go. Dunzo. Might as well put that one in the ancient history column. Does that come after or before the buy back?
I have been wrong here lately on this, but any thoughts on a post market 8-k?
Yeah... because the SEC investigation is almost over. An asteroid almost hit the earth in September... it was only 4.2 million miles away. whew.
This morning, I almost was rear ended.. the guy slammed on his breaks and was inches away from me. whew.
Interestingly enough, I was almost hit by the asteroid and almost hit by another car.
Big words sometimes say very little.
Probably my biggest take aways:
1. Growth. I do not doubt this at all
2. Looks like more dilution in December
3. Give us all a glimmer of forward guidance to happen in Jan. Is it really a hint, or is it setting the stage to help extract money from investors.
Please remember that the string puller seems to be giving common BZNE owners a real once over.
Yes, the words out of their mouths have always been a clear indication of what was going to happen. Let me pull up NASDAQ:MSPH on the ol' google finance search since they provided clear guidance on that. Wait a second... it doesn't exist.
I had to leave during the QA, but yes.... I think it was mentioned during the prepared part in a single comment about how it is coming in q2 2013 - I mean 2014. Also, in January they are going to put up some guidance for the whole year and they were really excited about this document that they are going to put out in the future to talk about the future, so that is another thing to talk about.
An interesting comment was how one of the goals for this year was to "transition the company to a professional organization" and they said they accomplished that. I do not disagree, but it makes me curious if they transitioned TO being a professional organization during this fiscal year, what did they transition from? IF that was an intentional statement, I actually find it a bit of an enduring self admission.
I also think I heard somewhere in there about financing they are working on that will be shared more in Dec.
Did they mention anything about the SEC?
Released on the day of conference call. Obvious is obvious.
I'm not saying this is a bad pr, but it says nothing about sec ending. It does look like they think they don't have to refile for the things they mentioned.
That is good news.
Last paragraph..... hmmmm.... gould get interesting.
Where does it say that?
I think there is some serious lawyer magic going on up in this mutha.
Seriously... people have said to do what Frost does, but man you have to keep some serious track to even come close. This guy is like a chess player watching 4 or 5 moves deep. IF you can track him, you might be able to catch some of his waves, but it is impossible to see them all, as it seems to be some serious inside balancing/moves being made.
genius.
In the same bucket as how it is an AIDS treatment.
Maybe.... blood red tomorrow or monday.
Yup... and the reality is that most people here would have been just as well off putting their money in legit NYSE or NASDAQ stocks. With the risk that is here, I just don't see the payout like other penny stocks. There will be no 100% day or 1000% stock promotion run. This isn't even a lotto option anymore... it is a growth play where they don't deliver like others can.
in a 1400 square foot office.
That is sort of where I was going with that. Between this MSLP transaction, personal sells and OPK sells - along with all the past - I wonder how he has come out on this sucker?
Was it built up only to be cannibalized? I think Frost got out something like 1.7 milly and OPK got out another 700k on the transaction you were talking about. Now, 7 million of equity is going to MSLP in exchange for what may be diluted shares?
This whole story is interesting.
Don't get me wrong... I enjoy being right, but I would prefer we ALL make money.
Does anybody know when Frost first got into this?
You killed that. Congrats.
return to shareholder? 0.
They could put Jesus Christ on an 8-k, but it doesn't mean shareholders are going to make a penny or be returned anything. Names have been on this ticket since the day it was born and for most investors here it has only returned continual hope for 2 quarters down the road.
To me, it doesn't look like the shareholders are getting bought out, they are taking a trip to the proverbial penny stock proctologist.
And perhaps the dilution machine is coming to a store near you?
I gotta say.... a second look at this is interesting.
It looks like MSLP is buying all the stuff from Biozone and creating a new company that is not tied to Biozone, but contains the name. So, really, it seems to me that MSLP is grabbing up all the assets of BZNE and leaving behind a shell of a company - basically BZNE has a bunch of bagholders that own nothing but debt?
Meanwhile, the 8 million in assets are sold for 12 million of perhaps what is made up money (dilution) to be churned through the machine?
So, Frost is involved with BZNE? He made a big move that, to me, looks like he could give 2 craps about the shareholders and looks like the average BZNE shareholder gets it in the pooch. lol.
3 card monte? Perhaps this time it works out for MSLP, but is this the kind of value that the Frost machine has in store for MSLP shareholders when it is convenient?
All speculation and IMO.
Buy up guys!!!! Friday financials are on the way! I am sure there will be some great things they will be reporting on Friday.
In theory, if they are buying a manufacturing facility, good on them. I know some of us around here were calling them geniuses not too long ago for outsourcing this sort of overhead, but whatever. I think it is a good step to increase efficiency. I would also see bringing shipping in house as an efficiency (depending on the deal they get from bb.com and the deluca connection).
These guys do make big moves, but history has also shown them to make some pretty shady big moves that, IMO, were not necessarily big moves to benefit the company. I have some significant hesitation about trusting these guys and I don't think it is without warrant. Blindly getting on board with Bernie Madoff, big move guy, did not mean it ended well for everybody that believed his hype.
Perhaps I am wrong, but I still see the SEC junk needing to play out before I enter into this thing. If they have a factory in the works, I see at least 2 quarters before anything comes of it. I see some really cool things in the works for these guys:
1. Bringing sportswear into the fold
2. Bringing manufacturing into the fold (not only for themselves, but contracting it out from others)
3. IF I am right in thinking they are trying to consolodate inwards, perhaps they will start bringing the store inside as well instead of sending it all to bb.com. Bringing shipping/delivery into the fold.
4. They have a whole 1400 sq feet of space that needs designing, furniture, books.. what to do, what to do!??
These are some pretty neat things that might be in the works and a possible cool story is brewing. Here are the big negatives I see.
1. Since I have been here, I believe they have been less than forthright about significant parts of the business. Every move forward seems to be countered with 2 WTF moves.
Bottom line... I don't trust em. I got in this stock on the hype and I do really like the story, but I am a little extra careful on the trust end here. I think some headway has been made in this department in just the past few weeks, but I would like to see more and I believe that there are no huge pps moves up that are going to be made in the very near future.
The first one was probably just a rough draft.
My thoughts are one of two:
1. Some sort of strategic alliance with mutual interests.
2. Three card monte
To me it is simple... one penny stock throwing money at another penny stock. Any time I see that, my first instinct is that it stinks. In the world of stinky pinkies, I would say that my instinct is more often accurate than not.
Perhaps this it is different, but all these deals are different, aren't they?
Earnings and conference call on a Friday. It should be an interesting show if it is on Friday. Here are my very non-scientific prediction/guesses:
Sales Revenue: Huge
Spending: Huger
Positives: Costco, Arnold, increased distro, Sportswear, they rented a 1400 sq foot office.
Negatives: They are going to need to refile, SEC investigation is still ongoing, they will have to mention failure to uplist
Spin here: Not this next Q, but the Q after that, things are going to be AMAZING
Or is it 3 card monte? Where's the money?
Interesting PR
Let's play a game... what's material:
1. Blog declares Musclepharm best supplement in 2011
2. 1400 sq foot office space rented
3. Musclepharm has warehouses all around the nation.
Now, can we pinpoint which one was a post on iHub and which were actual company PRs?
You have said several times that we have no idea what we are talking about. How could you possibly know what we do know, or don't know, unless you have the inside scoop? I think your collection of posts on ihub would corroborate other possible information that you know more than an average investor and I would suspect that this knowledge could be tied back to your personal relationship with the company.
I never said you are on the Payroll. Drew probably wasn't on the Payroll either. I do believe that you make money from the Musclepharm brand, which may not make you an employee of MSLP, but does not exclude you from being financially tied to the company or exclude you from having insider knowledge.
It is factual that you have a relationship with the company of some sort. It is very likely that money changes hands over that relationship. As long as the shareholders get a cut of your little stickers and FB work, I say good on you. I do think, however, it a little bizarre that a person who appears to act as a company spokesman on FB and Twitter with apparent inside information would come onto iHub and appear to be a little braggadocious about what he knows and others do not know.
Take or leave the advice I gave in my last post. Personally, I would prefer you just shared all of your intel instead of eluding to how much you know.
Two different discussions
1. The selling and the positive steps they have taken to secure the future.
2. The uncertainty and chaos that they created
I don't anybody can deny that they have done some spectacular things in terms of the deals they created and opportunities they made happen. On the other hand, I don't think anybody can deny that there is some fairly significant uncertainty that they created as well.
While the positves certainly are not fluff, I don't think the uncertainty is fluff either. I know you believe this to be a 60 trillion dollar company, but lets say the SEC investigation turns up the worst possible result, it could be disastrous.
It would seem that all sorts of change is happening and it is hard to read if it is internal house cleaning or reactionary safeguards.
Ask him this question:
Would several quarters/years of inaccurate financials prevent or delay an uplist?
Weren't sharecounts from years back changed? I would suspect that this would require a refiling of every single Q and Annual before an uplist would be allowed.
In retrospect, since I have been on this board, as a collective, we have known several pieces of information before the company reported them to be factual (if they reported them at all). Sure... lots of ideas get thrown around here, but consider the following:
1. Drew Ciccarelli's involvement in sportswear.
2. NSF certification removal/departure
3. That Q2 uplist was not true
There are others... heck, remember that time the store customer information list was open to the public? good times. In that case, I like to think we helped our company. The company has been a little less than forthright in how it conducts itself and that can lead people to try and find their own information.
I hope you are making lots of money doing whatever you do for MSLP and I hope that the shareholders do too, but do they know you are posting here? I know you all seem to be good buddies, but other than this penny stock, I don't think I have ever seen a company rep come onto ihub to chat.
We certainly don't have the facts, but one thing that you should consider is that it seems you are establishing yourself as someone who does have the facts.... an insider. You come on this stock trading board chat location, as an insider with a clear business relationship with the company, to talk about how much you know and how much the rest of us do not. While I am not sure on your financial involvement in the company, I would be a little careful on chatting up how much you know, particularly in relation to your investment here.
While some would consider it just a bit of chat, other interested parties might consider it evidence.