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Almost every post here is related to CDEX but perhaps in a manner hard for you to recognize.
This thing has a long and convulated history, with many players.
One can say just about all that is pertinent about the stock itself in a very few words.
EG;
It is sorta on the OTCBB and it sorta awaits some news and or some hype from the company itself to either crash or soar. Thats about it.
Ain't nare doubt about it, Mr, R.Apple. Ms. POOKIE has jumped way out in front of the gun.
She is a part of the Vegas crowd, not famous for their veracity, and for which stretching it and hyping it is a way of life.
KT assumes that everyone has seen the movie. Shawshank Redemption. Ergo, he can thus quote someone in that movie with confidence in his head that all will recall the line in the movie.
It so happens that I slept through most of that movie (as in MOST movies that I get dragged to) and I have no recollection of that line.
However, I do not feel deprived because I did miss that line.
I can quote verbatim only these lines in a movie that I have seen:....
" I'm gonna kill you in one minute, Ned, or take you back and let Judge Parker hang ye!! Which will it be? What do you say?"
Ned; "I say that that is mighty big talk for an old fat Marshall!!"
Marshall; "Fill your hands, you Son Of A Bxxxx"
Well, there is genius in common sense, too.
So long as it don't get OVERLY common!! Whitey comes to mind.
Mr. R. Apple, you have to make allowances for genius. He dances to a different drum in his head.
Like many people with skyline IQs, he assumes that you understand concepts because he does. He cannot fathom that some are not on his wavelength.
I see that LMOROVAN smoked some TCLers out and got them to break some VOWs 'never' to answer him again. He had the audacity to post some actual and indelible words of the CEO!!
Shame on you, LMOROVAN. Now that was really dirty!!!! CAW!!!
So why build excuses rather than build a real company?
An element of self preservation enters the equation. To the extent that the LOCH BOD is in the cross-hairs of the FEDs, so is he. He was in that SCAM up to his neck. As a legal advisor and as a TOUT on the message boards.
He was hired to stall off the FEDs by the element of doubt that the TECH just maybe would be useful and marketable, thus nullifying the suspicion that LOCH was a pure SCAM. Stall until passions fade and SOLs run out. A review of the history of LOCH and CDEX strongly bears this out.
Lastly, he has no marketable TECH, except perhaps, and only perhaps, VALIMED. There are too many unanswered questions re VALIMED to even begin a market analysis of that "gem".
Now it is up to MP and his Company to make a liar out of me.
Can, and will he do it? The next few months should tell the tale.
I hope he can, and will.
A partial quote:
"Damage & delay caused by bashers is minuscule compared with damage and delay caused by the ill-advised shareholder class action lawsuit. No startup would choose to be hamstrung as MP, et al, have been by former LOCH shareholders."
YET another excuse for non-performance.
As I understand the information that I have gleaned from the boards, MP backed the CA lawsuit. If so, he weighed the advantages of "seeming" to further distance himself from LOCH
to the nuisance of having former LOCH shareholders with tradable shares. Tradable, but with no market except private trades between individuals.
Then came the gray market. MP claims he had nothing to do with the Gray market. Yet he registered PP shares and other "restricted" shares including his own, to trade there.
It is my considered opinion that he has been building excuses rather than building a company. So when the time comes to toss in the towel, he will have many excuses as to why he could not perform. "Hey, we did try!! Cross our hearts and hope to die, we did try!!"
At the same time, by first one filing or PR and then another, he has dangled carrots and has kept the LOCH shareholders on his side, while also at the same time assuring himself and the co-perps a chance to get out with some folding and some jingle to go into the old pockets and bank accounts...both foreign and domestic.
And some calls him "incompetent".. CAW!!!!
I see that Mr. INET, who is barely concious and likes it that way, wanted to know why people were ousted from the LL board.
Obviously, he misses it and the rough and tumble and the truth that was a salient feature of that board. He even violated the rules and made a post there... of course, to LOMORVAN.
Then came Mr. M. Mon Soon with his usual utter nonsense.
I doubt that even Mr. INET believed it, though.
Me, being a good Crow, fly everwhere, and see much. As I flew over the TCL board, there was a big signboard there with one word on it. A two letter Word.
The Letters of that two letter Word, painted in brightest red, were as big as the average Greyhound Bus. Huge, gigantic letters. I looked for other decorations, maybe a small picture of somebody, but Nope, none. Not even a picture of pie in the sky, nor any of that nonsense. There was a black background, which made the two letters stand out so that they are seen for a long way off.
I went on the Internet, to see if they had changed the name of the TCL board, but nope, no changes.
The two letters? they were.......... IF .......
Congratulations Whitey. That is one of the greatest and most intelligent posts in all of the annals of posting!
Don't let it go to your head. CAW!!
Seems that he has access to more than one computer for posting.
ARLOCO, three that I know of. LMOROVAN can most likely tell you if there are others.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=190
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=1176
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=2560
Yep. When I tried to sign on IHUB as Himanez, they refused. That alias had been ousted. That is why I am Crow3 here. It was one of RIOs IHUB sites, the LOCH HARRIS one. Those old posts are still there.
He is honcho on two IHUB sites that I know of. One as Rio Rancho, and the other as Viking.
The giveaway for me was when he dissed RB. He is just about the only CDEX TOUT that has been banned from RB.. Though Diamont smuggled him in a few times under different aliases. I suspected it was RIO, and tried to smoke him out by saying he is female. He didn't bite.
LMOROVAN
Mr. Christian?? Really?? CAW!!
ARLOCO, you really know how to cut through the BS and get to the heart of the matter!!
Some one has REALLY brainwashed VIKING, or somehow enlisted him/her to spout utter nonsense to make up for the lack of real substance in CDEX.
In his/her Alice in Wonderland mind, the Villians that have sold worthless stock to people have become the Guardians of Virtue, and those that try to warn people about the Villians by telling the truth have became the Spawn of the Devil.
He/she appears to be badly in need of de-programming! Or sent back through the looking glass.
Actually, LMOROVAN and Viking, ATXMAN visited the DCH pharmacy and could find nobody that knew anything about Valimed nor CEXICDEX. He concluded that the Valimed was not there as claimed.
Neither Hospital, DCH nor the one in UTAH has put out a PR of their own re Valimed. Yet both institutions often put out PRs re innovations and/or new procedures.
While this is not proof that the CDEXCEXI PRs are completely false, they did contain specualtion that went beyond what VALIMED can do w/o FDA approval. The PRs were false and pure hype to that extent, at least.
I believe ATXMAN above the CDEX PRs. He is a smart man, and has never lied to me that I have found out about. The CDEX CEO has lied like a rug, both as a shill for LOCH, and since he has 'headed" CDEXCEXI as a hireling of Super Scamsters Boone and Baker.
He or she is not very effective though LMOROVAN. But it really is not his or her fault that all he or she has to brag about is in re-posting old pr stuff.
So she or he is left with only dissing us, the truth tellers.
A bit much trouble knowing how to address him or her. Not knowing the gender is a bother. I know of many Vikings, and they came in both genders, so the alias is of no help.
Judging by the post to Sandpiper, and the "so there!!!" post to me, I am inclined to guess female, though.
I have plenty of problems between my ears, Danny. One of them is my dislike of Scams. My intolerance of boring people and of those that seem to feel that ignorance is a positive virtue is another.
According to the things that you have posted, you were thoroughly stung by the hype and touting that occured with LOCH. You sank many dollars into LOCH based on your buying of that hype and touting, nearly all lies.
Many other people that I have met on the internet were likewise stung. People that I learned to like. Good people.
Up to now, I have seen little difference between LOCH and CDEXCEXI. MP and creew still have the burden of proof to show that they are not merely a continuation of LOCH, although much more timid in TOUTing than the LOCHsters were.
I have other interests and sometimes other "crusades" that I persue. It does not take very much of my time to stay on top of this one.
Now Ms. or Mr. VIKE, (as it may be) I expect you to hold down your side. If I have lied, please point out where I strayed from the truth.
If I hold no shares, that only increases my objectivity, does it not?
Thats very true. When you have to pay around 145 to 155 per share when you buy, and get about 120 to 130 when you sell, day trading is plainly a losing proposition.
Those that buy under those circumstances clearly expect to hold longer term, with the hope of future value or SP spikes to make them well.
Holding long term is for blue chips, or at least potential blue chips.
Insofar as I can see, CDEX if far from the blue chip classification. One has to employ unrealistic and very far out dreams to regard it as even a potential blue chipper. Odds are very much against any such an eventual outcome.
MP, in his widely disregarded and widely unheeded warnings in his elaborate disclaimers, tells you that himself. His clains for his "technology" is just mostly unsupported words without any substance to speak of.
At best, a raw speculation, at worst a SCAM.
To me, it has all the earmarks of the latter.
Nobody has made much money trading CEXI since November. Those that were trading it were expecting it to cycle from about 120 to near 200 (cents) fairly rapidly, time it and make money.
But it has not been doing that.
The Traders have either lost interest, or awaiting something like a pR or rumor to set off a new cycle.
As one of them said, CDEX is for trading, not holding. But of late, not even a good trading vehicle.
If you really are a novice at the LOCHCEXICDEX game, you have about five years of catching up to do. CDEX was first setup in Deleware, a relatively expensive but highly regarded place to incorporate. Most large corporations are incorporated in Deleware because of the favorable laws in that state. It is just about Deleware's only claim to fame.
There was a falling out amongst thieves, and the Deleware Corporation was abandoned in favor of Nevada. Nevada is famous for many things, but in the past few years, it has become a mecca for Scamsters and such to set up a corporation.
Their laws are even more lax than those in Deleware, and it is very cheap. One can incorporate in Nevada for less than a thousand bucks.
FJ was to be the chief of CDEX daleware, but after the dust settled from the disputations, he was given a company in Florida to pillage, and MP was hired to run the Nevada corporation.
Nigel Ramsay among others, were the ones that gave LOCH the know-how to hawk LOCH stock, print endless shares, and hawk them on the internet, as well as on their Boca Raton boiler-room. It has been said that they were in cahoots with some South American and Las Vegas interests. In the laundry bidness, among others.
The FEDs got interested in LOCH, and the Vegas and SA interests lost interest in LOCH. LOCH got too small to interest them, and they don't want much to do with anyone that is at cross beams with the FEDs.
In a nutshell, that is a part of the story. There is much more if you are interested. Any questions?
I see much pathetic griping re no "news" re CDEXCEXILOCH. The Boys and Girls on TCL there want SOMETHING to come out that would bust loose some SP action.
They supposedly got on the OTCBB, after much hollering and griping. Are they satisfied with that? OOHH NOOO not them!! Seems that MP cannot satisify them no matter how hard he tries!! Pore Feller!!
I wonder if MP has the nerve, cheek or bawls to put out something strong enough to bust loose some buying??
That article from LOCH that Mr. R. Apple posted below is powerful stuff. If MP put out something like that, it might make some fortunes!! And skin some new suckers.
Unfortunate that it was all lies. More unfortunate still that the PERPs are still in bidness.
Nope Mr. R. Apple, I do not think that the "brave" Christians
volunteered to take ELF into a live mined area. Nor did Lt. Col OLLIE NORTH.
Actually the sucker trade won't get it done, LMOROVAN.
The only way the LOCH shareholders can get well is that the company actually get a product going with a huge demand, and let the stock value and share price reflect reality.
Suckers trade on pie in the sky. The SP jumps up, insiders and savvy traders dump, and the SP falls. The Suckers keep holding all the way down.
Nope, the OLD LOCH shareholders are in too deep, for the most part, to get well off a sucker play.
They have to count on the "real thing".
Then others chime in. One fellow says that he bought at 1.50 because he was afraid to wait.
The board GURU says "Looks like we're moving up."
Art says that he sold some that he bought "cheap", got about 1.80 for it, and then bouught back when it dropped. He said that after somebody got on him for urging people to hold while he sold. He had forgot that he had mentioned his sale in an earlier brag.
Urge to Buy, advise to HOLD, do lots of hyping. Hint that people "in the know" are loading up. Time is crucial because one should want to get in on the "ground floor".
That is how the SKIN games are played.
Well, gotta make a buck somehow, right?
Then the HYPE begins. INET says that Blair knows that the company knows where it is going, after all he is a founder of WEBMD. (CAW!!)Someone else says the company has a game plan and the potential products.
Then this.
"INET6, Good point! Another reason, along with the listing on the OTCBB, that I believe CDEX is a BUY at this PPS".
The ways of the game is all too familier.
If you own the stock, you will be urged not to sell.
Here is an example..
" NOW that WE are FINALLY on the OTCBB, which has given US some legitamacy, IMHO sellers "will be sorry" for selling at current levels. FWIW, I doubt shareholder's that have hung around this long have any desire to move out now. Not at these prices with a company that has a chance to succeed."
Free real time this AM..
Rec. Time Action Price Volume
11:55:54 AM Trade 1.5 1000
11:55:54 AM Trade 1.49 1000
11:49:36 AM Trade 1.55 3485
11:40:26 AM Trade 1.51 10000
11:40:22 AM Trade 1.49 10000
11:32:42 AM Trade 1.5 500
11:32:36 AM Trade 1.5 800
11:30:58 AM Trade 1.49 221
11:29:20 AM Trade 1.48 100
11:29:14 AM Trade 1.47 2800
11:29:06 AM Trade 1.47 700
11:28:24 AM Trade 1.47 4240
11:28:24 AM Trade 1.48 5000
11:01:10 AM Trade 1.37 242
10:36:52 AM Trade 1.37 110
9:45:18 AM Trade 1.48 151
9:30:06 AM Trade 1.38 110
9:30:04 AM Trade 1.37 110
9:30:02 AM Trade 1.48 300
It seems sellers got 1.37. Buyers paid as high as 1.55 down to 1.47. Not many sellers here. Spread from a dime to 18 cents a share.
The person that got the 1.55 buy musta put in a market buy.
Mr Barnum, are you looking and wondering??
My advice?? Start looking at insider trades. They now have to report them.
They can no longer play fast and loose, or they are liable to be thrown off the OTCBB much faster than they got on.
And the SEC and possibly other FEDs will come a knocking. If they can figure out find where to knock. That mail-drop HQ in Maryland is not likely to hold much information nor any perps to handcuff.
My guess though, is that the MM got a HEAP of shares to sell on consignment. This is how the Gray market works. An MM gets hold of a big pile of shares, maybe somebody hires them to sell them, or makes a consignment. The MM then gets a trading symbol and the reporting systems starts reporting the transactions.
No form 211 is filed, no necessity to actually process any trades, no regulations apply.
The MM can take whatever spread they can get.
It is, despite the general ignorance of the Gray market on the part of the public, an arms length transaction, not illegal because no laws apply.
On the OTCBB, however, the NASD regulations apply, and the company, traders and MM are bound to conform to SEC laws and regulations.
Which means that ALL transactions must be reported and are thus a factor in the market.
Correct!! You win the brass monkey. There were a few sells,
for which the sellers got a buck thirty. Anywhere from 15 to twenty cents a share spread for the MMs.
My question is, where are the MMs getting the shares to sell at a buck forty-five to a buck fifty?? My guess is that they already had them.. on consignment.. while the stock was still on the Grays.
If CDEX is really on the OTCBB now, such consignments are most likely no longer within the NASD rules. They have to go through the reporting system. They have to sell them to the MMs at a reported price, which would result in flooding the market, and a lowered SP.
As it is now, the MM appears to have sufficient inventory that they/he/she can sell and hold the price where they want it.
When the MM runs out of inventory, then you will see a much tighter spread, and a chance for market forces to control the SP.
ONE..If they took checks and ran, the Police would have chased them down and jailed them. That is a "Blue Collar" type crime.
But,if on the other hand....
TWO..If they sell shares and then make a show of trying to develope and market something, with no real intentions to do so, then that is a "White Collar" crime, but only if they are caught. They can holler "we tried". Then somebody has to either sue, or talk a Prosecutor into making a case, or just let it go.
In other words, the first instance cannot be lied out of.
The second one can.
Also, in the case of an individual or group making a large investment, they will want to be on the BOD or at least keep a very close watch on what is going down. If it a SCAM, then MP would never allow that to happen. He would not want to, anyway, probably, but certainly not if it is a SCAM.
So the scenario that you propose does not rule out SCAM, nor rule it in either. The best way to look for SCAM is to consider the history of the Company and it's founders, The LOCH BOD. The history ain't good.
From Free real time. Interesting pattern!!
:44:50 AM Trade 1.45 1513
11:40:56 AM Trade 1.45 264
11:40:50 AM Trade 1.45 658
11:40:50 AM Trade 1.45 2000
11:40:48 AM Trade 1.45 223
11:40:48 AM Trade 1.45 977
11:40:48 AM Trade 1.42 1200
11:40:36 AM Trade 1.45 419
11:00:28 AM Trade 1.45 1500
11:00:28 AM Trade 1.42 1500
10:58:22 AM Trade 1.45 882
10:57:50 AM Trade 1.5 300
10:57:22 AM Trade 1.48 882
10:48:56 AM Trade 1.45 3500
10:47:06 AM Trade 1.48 3500
10:46:30 AM Trade 1.45 4000
10:46:20 AM Trade 1.4 4000
10:31:20 AM Trade 1.45 1000
9:52:30 AM Trade 1.45 618
9:50:36 AM Trade 1.45 1000
9:50:30 AM Trade 1.48 1500
9:50:00 AM Trade 1.48 5000
9:49:58 AM Trade 1.45 5000
9:47:06 AM Trade 1.48 866
9:45:38 AM Trade 1.5 2000
9:39:38 AM Trade 1.5 3000
9:39:38 AM Trade 1.3 729
9:30:06 AM Trade 1.46 500
9:30:04 AM Trade 1.5 600
9:30:04 AM Trade 1.3 221
9:30:02 AM Trade 1.3 1104
9:30:02 AM Trade 1.5 600
9:30:02 AM Trade 1.5 400
The nickel drop in the ask could be because the MM has acquired some shares to sell somehow. I wonder where he/she gottem from? CAW!!
Still a controlled "market", Vike. The MM has come off about a nickel, though.
You can get about 1.30 to sell, cost you 1.45 to buy. Down from 1.50 earlier today. Spread still VERY high.
Not different yet, from the Gray market.
IF and when other MMs sign on, there may be a different pattern emerge.
If not, not.
CDEX lays claim to a "vision". Here it is. Verbatim.
Improving Lives
• Leading in Technology and Innovation
• Growing Profitability and Shareholder Value
• Creating a Winning Culture
Improving whose lives? Well, the salaries and bonuses, etc has done a lot for the MP gang.
Leading in technology and innovation? Using off the shelf components and parts? A hairdryer and a modified shoebox? CAW!!
Growing profitability and shareholder value? Ain't any profits for shareholders. Maybe a little for traders that have successfully timed the SP variations. Quite a heap for the MP gang. Anyway, no where to go but up or out. The safest bet, I do believe, is out.
Creating a winning culture? Now by dang, ain't THAT specific? Here is how it is done. Put a glass half filled on a counter, and fire everbody that calls it half empty. Promote everybody that calls it half full. Hey, that oughta work!!
Arloco
There are many unanswered questions re Valimed. There are no specifics published that I have seen.
Apparently, one slaps a sample to be tested into the box pictured on the website, turns on the electricity, and the results are somehow announced. It is semi-alleged that a UV source inside the box radiates at the sample under test, the return emitted photon spectrum is detected and analyzed and compared to stored spectrum "signatures" inside the box, and the chemical content of the sample is determined to be what it is supposed to be, or not.
Is a computer required? no info. Does the "box" have a speaker? No info. A dial? No info. If a computer is required, where are the interface leads? No info. Where in the box is the test chamber? No info. Is it battery powered? No info. If not, where is the plug-in? No info. Does it measure the quantity of the substance, or just that the substance is there? No info. If the substance has been diluted, will it snitch? No info. If there is residue from a previous test, will it queer the result? No info.
Does the doo-hickey require a trained and certified operator? No info.
All we have is a photo of the alleged doo-hickey, and a couple PRs that says that the doo-hickey is totally wonderful.
They are actually going on the OTCBB with that? Shades of ELF and VAAMP!!
I see that MR. L. MOROVAN has the Dreamers highly indignant. He is the main topic of conversation on the RB boards, still. Mr. Whitey Moon has put in a TOS, and Mr. I. Net has issued a severe reprimand. Such hypocrisy!!
And such celestial self-congratulations on the dreamer board!!
Well I hope the dreams come true, but so far, I see nothing to indicate that any significant movement in that direction has transpired. They will really only be on the real OTCBB if and when some MMs submit 211 forms. Until then, indistinguishable from the Grays. One MM in complete control.