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Something brewing today!
The irony...
And now it seems google 4k device is another company???
At least we should know more of the story by tomorrow ... for better or worse but now looking worse.
Seems like we'll find out tomorrow if NTEK is FOS or not.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103695324
And I still think as NTEK goes, so does HHSE, but we'll see!
(Imagine VODWIZ popping up on a google device ... perhaps HHSE indepdently decided to hold off VODWIZ launch until this device. Either way, we should get some new direction as something has to give if (1) no device/Nuvola released (2) Nuvola is released without VODWIZ (3) Nuvola/google device and VODWIZ both launched.)
Ok, that one sentence taken only in-and-of-itself does not fully detail my argument (it assumes the reader was able to connect a few dots on some specifics I later outlined) ... you win on the semantics ... I did not make explicit every detail of my reasonsing in that sentence.
However, much more importantly, do you agree also (based on the specific details I mentioned) that Friday's NTEK news is also good news for HHSE?!
That is the more important issue!
6 swing trades ... that's awesome! I originally thought of these trades as being more defensive in nature (lock in the gains), but -- man -- these trades can turn a double into a quadruple or more!
"So what you seem to be saying is if 2 companies do business with each other and 1 company is legit by default the other company is legit. Now I don't follow that thought process"
Ok, perhaps we are now getting somewhere ... as NTEK is operationally responsible for VODWIZ, would not they be in a good position to know (or at least strongly suspect) if HHSE was trying to set VODWIZ up as a fake business?
Therefore, since Friday's news indicates NTEK's core business is otherwise legitimate, the news bodes well for investors of HHSE that VODWIZ is also legitimate. An illegitimate business would much more likely be involved in co-conspiring to create a fake VODWIZ.
The key is that NTEK is *not* like a retailer putting HHSE products on the shelf... NTEK is operationally responsible for the development, implementation, and execution of VODWIZ. Furthermore, NTEK has not been paid a dime so have a vested interest in an operational VODWIZ.
We don't have to agree to disagree ... please explain your reasoning to help me understand.
If I understand you correctly you seem to be saying that independence of NTEK business lines (VODWIZ versus NP-1) means that this somehow frees NTEK to assist HHSE on setting up VODWIZ as some fake business.
What I'm trying to understand, given the presumption that NTEK is otherwise a legitimate company as indicated per Friday's news, what incentive would NTEK have in assisting HHSE in such deception? Can you be more specific in the type of scenario you are envisioning ... I don't follow your thought process.
Good ...we agree NTEK core business is independent and not intertwined to VODWIZ. Furthermore, NTEK is not hyping VODWIZ.
So what then, would NTEK have to gain in assisting HHSE to show a fake VODWIZ ...!?
If someone completely independent to you, such as a stranger, asked you to help him/her deceive the public, would you help them with your involvement being publically known?!!
Makes no sense to me why an completely independent company would assist another company with investor deception, with their name tied to the project.
Makes all the sense in the world, however, that NTEK would assist in a mutally-beneficial business partnership (however independent this partnership is to their core business).
Thus, my original statement holds that the NTEK news is very good news for HHSE investors!
I agree if some company has a real product this certainly does not preclude them from hyping fake claims or cooking their numbers.
However, an important nuance/distiction to me is that most investors are questioning the viability of NTEK business, precisely *because* they doubt NP-1 claims. The NTEK hype is ALL about NP-1 ... and it was NP-1 that appears validated today.
I'm not seeing any incentive for NTEK to risk their reputation on VODWIZ which has nothing to do with all their hype and growth expectations, given the hype (presumably from the news today) is true. They would have not much to gain ... but more to lose.
"Inductive Reasoning... these things are not independent."
Good lord! Yes, despite David's comments below I definately hold to my words. In the business context David and I were discussing ... marketing and the product launch timing of Nuvola NP1 versus VODWIZ, etc ... it was clarified by David that NTEK business plans and operations are completely independent to HHSE, other than VODWIZ.
That is completely different to the inference I'm now drawing which has nothing to do David's comments ... if Nuvola NP-1 is legit then NTEK is (much more likley) legit, if NTEK is legit then VODWIZ is (much more likely) legit, if VODWIZ is legit then HHSE is (much more likely) legit!
My reasoning... do you really think NTEK would be sitting on cutting edge 4K technology only to risk their credibility on a fake HHSE-fabricated VODWIZ launch?
NEWS FROM NTEK TODAY IS GOOD NEWS FOR HHSE INVESTORS!
David Foley: "NTEK has no dependence on HHSE for anything and is not intertwined with HHSE. NTEK created and operates VODWiz for HHSE."
And I think the market agrees!
Inductive Reasoning... these things are not independent.
This NTEK news seems to confirm legitimacy as an HHSE partner ... market reaction is very positive.
If Nuvola NP-1 is legit, then NTEK is legit, if NTEK is legit then VODWIZ is legit, if VODWIZ is legit, then HHSE is legit...!!
"NanoTech Rolls Out Android™ KitKat® for the Nuvola 4K Ultra HD Streaming Media Player"
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=62645875&symbol=NTEK
NTEK ... David's comment's are now backed by a PR ...
"NanoTech Rolls Out Android™ KitKat® for the Nuvola 4K Ultra HD Streaming Media Player"
Seems legit as presumably google would presumably be aware of this PR and the Q2 date has been provided all along... and if this is legit, VODWIZ is probably legit, and if VODWIZ is legit then HHSE is probably legit ... fingers crossed!
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=62645875&symbol=NTEK
It's been a crazy ride... I sold some swing-trade shares at 8.13 only to see it rocket up to 9.50 ... then the 'news' hit which I was not monitoring where my buy order executed at 7.38 to then painfully see it fall to 6.60 ... now it's back to 7.63.
Despite twice thinking I made a mistake, I've been lucky that my swing-trading has worked out!
Insider trading rampant... interesting.
"Now, a groundbreaking new study finally puts what we’ve instinctively thought into hard numbers — and the truth is worse than we imagined.
A quarter of all public company deals may involve some kind of insider trading, according to the study by two professors at the Stern School of Business at New York University and one professor from McGill University."
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/study-asserts-startling-numbers-of-insider-trading-rogues/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1&
Ok ... thanks.
I forgot to mention one other aspect of my theory ... for some time NTEK has had the NP-1 release as Q2 (which ends around this time) and for about the same time HHSE has been saying VODWIZ in the summer (which starts around this time) ... that VODWIZ was delayed to launch just after NP-1 (which also was delayed) seems a little too coincidental.
Without such interdependency between completion of NP-1, VODWIZ, and audit (timed for greatest impact on share price), it otherwise seems very scammy that every single one of these "game changers" has just happened to have been delayed. But with the interdependency scenario, the delays are not longer too coincidental, which I hope to be the case.
So that's it in my mind ... either all these delays are inter-related or they are not. If they are not inter-related, then the odds of all these being bad luck or what have you seems a little too far-fetched which means there is some major deception.
I also hold a lot of HHSE shares, my comfort is that the share price is devastated such that there is value even if VODWIZ, audit, Mother Goose, etc, etc, never come to be.
"HHSE has stated for months the launch of VODwiz will be summer 2014. The first day of summer is Saturday June 21st. There is no delay. "
In the context of the whole audit debacle, the time horizon to be contemplated is bigger than these months. VODWIZ was originally slated for October 2013 and has been delayed to this summer. Audit has been delayed more than that, despite seemingly near completion for quite some time. Indeed, the timing delay of VODWIZ would correspond to all the stalling and excuses the last 9 months.
"Also NTEK and HHSE have very little to do with each other except for VODwiz."
I never said otherwise. It is precisely through their VODWIZ relationship I think their fates are joined ... if VODWIZ is a fraud (never to launch) then probably both are aware and both are a fraud. If VODWIZ turns out legit, then probably both companies are legit ...
"With or without Nuvola NP-1 VODwiz will have the ability to stream to millions of devices (tablets,smart tv,PC,phones), the Nuvola will always be a tiny segment, and no we don't need 4K for Indie movies."
I never said otherwise. Of course, HHSE would have loved VODWIZ to have been running a year ago ... my comment was from the perspective of NTEK. Perhaps NTEK is refusing to launch VODWIZ, until NP-1 is available... if VODWIZ is indeed 4K capable (as both sides have indicated, I think) then the launch of VODWIZ would be an opportunity for marketing NP-1.
I don't know if this is the case but I think it's a logical scenario that Nuvola, VODWIZ and audit-release are intertwined ... if you have a better explanation as to the delay of *both* audit and VODWIZ, I'm all ears. I'm otherwise having difficulty understanding why the audit and VODWIZ would be both delayed (of course, other than the negative scenarios that there is no intention to release these products).
Any insights into delay of NP-1? I've not had time to follow closely and was hoping for some comments.
NTEK - Nuvola due to ship Q2 this year ... means just a few more weeks.
Anyone been following to know what is the main reason attritbuted to the delay? What is the strongest evidence that Nuvola can indeed stream 4k?
(Yes, could all be a lie but I'd like to assess the 'optimistic' scenario to see if there is any possibility).
I'm not a huge holder of NTEK, but I think the fates of HHSE and NTEK are intertwined ... they are probably either both legit or not. I've been thinking quite a while that a *possible* reason for the audit delay is this was triggered by VODWIZ delay (want to have VODWIZ functioning to get the biggest bang from the audit) which, in turn, is triggered by Nuvola delay (NTEK loses beneift of VODWIZ launch, if their device is not available for sale to view it, especially if VODWIZ is 4K).
I sold some $10 covered calls for 70 cents on 1/2 my SAN so my gains from here will be somewhat limited ... if it holds this level then I'll have broke even on my hedging strategy... glad you also held in there and are doing well with our good old SAN!
VSEC - damn, another one I sold early ... I probably made 50-60% gain but could have had near a triple.
BRFH ... looks like I made a good call here ... at one point a triple ... sold shares a bit early, though.
PLSB ... will finally have the chance to buy some Cabana's in Florida...
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=62466642&symbol=PLSB
"Pulse's Natural Cabana(R) Lemonade and Limeade Now Available at 137 Florida RaceTrac Convenience Stores"
Me too. Just a wild guesss, but I'm surmising the delay of the audit could be related to the delay of VODWIZ, which -- in turn -- is related to the delay of NTEK Nuvola.
Perhaps they were advised or thinking that the audit release will have the greatest shareprice impact only when VODWIZ is also confirmed. In turn, perhaps NTEK does not want VODWIZ online until it can be accessed by their Nuvola player.
If the delay of Nuvola was indeed unexpected, then this would explain the issue.
I don't really understand the blog nor the relationship between Phase 4 / HHSE and Allegro... but I guess the relationship with Phase 4 is now better?
If anyone can shed light I'd be very thankful.
http://www.otcmarkets.com/news/otc-market-headline?id=15997603
"DVD and Blu-Ray orders worth more than $550,000 in wholesale revenues were canceled by Hannover House in early 2013 due to a payment dispute with Phase 4 Films, the Company's wholesale supplier at that time for the placement of video products into Walmart. The loss of those orders, and the release opportunities lost during the engagement of a replacement wholesaler, ultimately cost the Company an estimated $1-million in sales placements during 2013. Hannover House products are now being serviced to Walmart through Anderson Merchandisers and Allegro Media Group, and the Company expects to recapture the placement opportunities that were lost during 2013 with sales to be realized during 2014. "
Have to admit I'm totally confused by this blog ... they seem genuinely excited, though.
INO...Inovio Pharmaceuticals Breakthrough DNA-Based Monoclonal Antibody Therapy Completely Protects Animals From Lethal Viral Challenge
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=62340216&symbol=INO
ok ... I appreciate your following my thoughts.
And I apologize for typing your name wrong ... I was rushing that note out during work!
Out of curiosity I had to look up the formula ... with 25% chance of audit, or VODWIZ or mother goose ... I calculate a 58% chance of something "good" happening versus 20% chance of bankruptcy or significant dilution.
Suppose the following:
1. If a good event happens we are worth 5 cents (conservatively).
2. If a bad event happens we are woth 0 cents.
3. If we are still waiting around for news next couple of years we are worth 1.5 cents.
Expected value= .58*5 + .20*0 + (1-.58-.20)*1.5 = 3.2 cents ... adjusting for risk adversity, use of money elsewhere, anything below 2 cents seems a pretty good long-term investment.
Of course, I know the probabilties are difficult to estimate, but I'm not sure there is a better approach to make an assessment?
Micheal .. would you disagree with the probabilities, expected values the scenarios, or just that the basic approach is wrong?
I agree completely they could be mostly FOS, but I think that has more than been fully priced in the stock.
I'm very curious ... not based on trading and sentiment, what do you think is a reasonable fundamental valuation given what we know about the company and the probability we get an audit or VODWIZ or MotherGoose or other significantly positive or negative event in the next couple years ...
I'm thinking ... 25% chance of audit, 25% chance of VODWIZ, 25% chance of Mother Goose and 20% chance of significant diltution or bankruptcy with fair value being about 1.5 to 2 cents a share if none of these things happen. If the numbers are reasonable, I think we are a pretty good risk reward right now.
I'm not sure if we are different on outlook of the company or investment philsophy?
Thanks. I had also added some shares earlier at 1.3 ... probably just for a trade.
Can't believe we still don't really know what's going on with this company. Are we still not going to know (one way or the other) another year from now?
That little bit was moi ... could not resist.
Still waiting to see what comes first, audit, VODWIZ, Mother Goose versus bankrputcy/significant dilution ... unless we see that latter, there is lots of room for hope as the share price is super cheap!
Until then, who knows!
Who was the original poster?
Yes, please look deeper and let us know if you find any evidence of fraud...
Your post was about the lack of trading specifically regarding the recent news so that's the specific topic I'm trying to clarify.
If you no longer are taking the good news as being a "concern" then I hope you appreciate how your comments might be mis-interpretted as such. As I outlined, all-else-being equal, good news is a positive, correct?
"I am more concerned with the success of the stock price!!! AGAIN..... NOT ONE TRADE.... NEWS OUT ON LENNON... and NOTHING... NADA.... and ONE FULL HOUR OF TRADING NO.... NO.... TRADES.... GETTING CONCERNED"
If there were two identical companies with identical share price, but company A had good news recently and company B did not, which one would you invest?